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zkmon 17 hours ago

Playing cards. With no devices and screens. Multi-player. Lots of fun.

If it must be computer, then I go for good old Microsoft games - sweekend puzzle, motorbike madness or midtown madness (I have a Win7 PC with no internet). I also enjoy driving around with Forza and enjoying the scenery of the country side.

I can't even dare to look at the title imagery of these new games on xbox while scrolling through list of games on app store. It's gory, weirdness and insanity being portrayed as high quality.

I guess, humanity in the West craved for some excitement in their lives, due to post-war peace time being devoid of any survival struggle. And the media - movies, music, internet - kept on dumping loads of it. Even the music, which is supposed to flow with soft, pleasant and melodious tunes and beats, has turned into a cacophony of loud shouting and hysteric expressions and acts of the artists.

Similar to how a military band is designed to dispense alert and agility, western music appear to have evolved to dispense fear and anxiety which was missing in their daily lives.

Not only that. Lack of such frantic craziness is seen as boring (I never heard of this word boring in my childhood). Slow life in general is being viewed as socially unacceptable. We are frogs in a boiling pot.

You don't have to join the mad crowd running around ferociously. Just sit back, power on your old computer, pull out the internet cable, enjoy the slow, old games.

jader201 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You’re referring to a lot of mainstream games, but it’s not hard to find relaxing (cozy) games.

Also, many of Nintendo’s first party titles still have the same charm as their old school titles.

I’m not a fan of a lot of the gory, hyper, crazy games you’re referring to, either, but there are no shortage of games that stick to the traditional charm, and I can always find something to enjoy.

I’m playing through Unicorn Overlords right now, and while I wouldn’t consider it “cozy”, it’s none of the adjectives you use, and reminds me a lot of Ogre Battle on SNES, or Final Fantasy Tactics on PS1.

Having said that, I’m also a huge fan of breaking out a deck of cards or board game and enjoying a quiet game with family/friends.

Heck, I’ll even spend a couple days playing through a solo game of 1862. [1]

[1] https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/66837

safety1st 15 hours ago | parent [-]

The Reuters article might be conflating some game design philosophies (relaxed, unrushed, non-competitive, no penalty for failure) with some game themes (farming, building, social relationships).

Animal Crossing, Harvest Moon, Stardew Valley - yeah for sure these are some of the original and most iconic "cozy games" out there.

But personally my favorite game in that genre is Graveyard Keeper, mechanics feel reminiscent of Stardew Valley, but when you're not burying bodies you're out looking for booze to keep a talking skull inebriated.

And frankly the coziest game experience I have these days is with a title that no one ever would have associated with that term a few years ago: World of Warcraft. Nostalgia probably has something to do with it but they've now added a solo player mode (Delves) which is relaxed, unrushed, non-competitive etc. You can die five or six times before you fail, and penalties are light, but frankly, they're not very hard. If you have a spare half hour you can just Delves'n'chill by yourself and come out with a gear upgrade or two.

So, I think it is not the theme, not even the mechanics but a set of game design principles that makes a game cozy. What were not cozy were the competitive FPSes and fighting games I played when I was younger, where we were all screaming at each other - that stuff can be fun but these days my emotional energy is directed elsewhere and I game to recharge.

Capricorn2481 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I couldn't find if this was linked to a study or was anecdotal, because of the scroll.

A common issue with studying the effects of gaming is most studies are studying 1-2 blocks or light gaming schedules. I think most of the population is doing that, but there are people playing 4+ hours a day, most days. When articles are shared about the positive effects of gaming, a lot of people read them as though the effects must apply to them. Maybe they do! I don't see a lot of studies on this population.

I feel the same with this article, because I don't find Stardew Valley super relaxing. I think it's aesthetically relaxing, but mechanically stressful. Trying to complete the quests on time or get a certain item before the season ends is stressful. I could go into it with a more relaxed attitude, but then how is the game cozier for me than others? I could go into Skyrim with that attitude. Maybe I am too rushed in my professional life to play games in a relaxing way.

pxoe 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Even the music, which is supposed to flow with soft, pleasant and melodious tunes and beats, has turned into a cacophony of loud shouting and hysteric expressions and acts of the artists.

Ironically, this only shows closed-mindedness and limited view of music (and other entertainment as well).

Seriously though, what is up with people here that go "entertainment is bad (cause i don't know better)", and seemingly have so many people agree with them as well. It's not even funny, it's just kinda sad, if this is even a sincere view and not just obtuse trolling slash some bizarre 'culture war', 'current culture is bad' shit takes. "the gory games", this is some "parents being scared of Doom (1993 videogame)" nonsense, are we seriously recycling all of that idiocy? Just barely new puritanism. Feeling traumatized by the Xbox games catalog is kind of a hilarious image though.

jamwil 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I thought it was an interesting perspective from someone who has lived a very un-American life.

thih9 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> music, which is supposed to flow with soft, pleasant and melodious tunes and beats…

This is very subjective.

And as you earlier say, e.g. military band music is supposed to do the opposite.

> …has turned into a cacophony of loud shouting and hysteric expressions and acts of the artists.

Chill music is actually very popular these days, especially on streaming media and youtube but it’s also accessible via traditional media.

xeonmc 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He must find Beethoven scandalous.

jamiek88 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah Lofi is huge!

nvarsj 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's just like, your opinion, man.

There's something incredibly cathartic about ripping heads off of demons to the cacophony of heavy metal (Doom).

frogpelt 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah… but if you had to rip heads off of demons in your day job you might not feel that way.

whatevaa 7 hours ago | parent [-]

If you had to be factorio engineer in real life you also wouldn't like it, so I don't understand this comparison. Games are games, life is life.

JodieBenitez 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Mick Gordon music makes me ride my bike faster. In the same vein: https://davdralleon.bandcamp.com/album/street-krvzader

DavidPiper 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Even the music, which is supposed to flow with soft, pleasant and melodious tunes and beats

There's quite a lot of research that our music exposure between roughly 13 and 16 creates our formative taste.

Everyone has a first time hearing (e.g.) Beethoven's 5th, Autumn Leaves, Bohemian Rhapsody, Killing in the Name, and Blank Space. Their reactions will be different depending on their age, taste, emotional state, musical interests, social context, and so on.

Loughla 8 hours ago | parent [-]

To my pride, my oldest child picked BYOB or Killing in the Name as his choices for his walk up song in little League baseball.

I've never, ever been prouder of him.

satellite2 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had a dinner with a friend which is a doctor and one which is a dentist.

They famously consume movies/series that perfectly fit your description.

They told me after a full day being kind and empathetic while also spending a lot of time standing, you just want to see the world burn.

Very enlighting, especially since most of our society works in services

antonchekhov 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Frasier", Season 5 Episode 12:

  Niles: [walks in] Hello, Dad.  I believe we switched videotapes on 
         accident.
 Martin: Believe me, I noticed.
  Niles: Yes, there you go. [hands over video] At first I was dismayed.  
         I popped in the tape, and there was Charles Bronson blowing 
         away street trash, but I actually got into it.  It was quite 
         suspenseful.
 Martin: Yeah, well, that's the way Duke and I felt about "My Dinner 
         With Andre."  Talk about suspense! [fake, dramatic 
         anticipation] Will they order dessert?  Will they leave a good 
         tip? [walks to chair and sits]
augzodia 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I have two therapist friends who like to watch horror movies because they say it’s a good outlet to externalize their stress and anxiety

socalgal2 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nintendo has the Animal Crossing series which are certainly relaxing (cozy) games and it's latest one is multiplayer.

I don't know if Pikman counts. Feels a little stressful to me. But of course there's several 3rd party games, the obvious one being Stardew Valley. Lots of other non-streesful games.

KurSix 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the rise of cozy games is kind of a counter-response to exactly the overload you're talking about. Not everything in gaming today is high-octane chaos or gritty realism

namaria 15 hours ago | parent [-]

I've come to resent the frenetic pace demanded of everything now. Why does everything must keep accelerating? Slow down and fix things I say.

pier25 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree but you're exaggerating.

Millions if not billions are playing cozy "boring" games like Candy Crush.

riehwvfbk 10 hours ago | parent [-]

And that's a good thing? Sure, these games ease anxiety. So do opiates. Every minute spent playing addictive drivel like Candy Crush is a minute spent not exercising, learning, or bonding with fellow humans.

maccard 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Most animals have down time. Spending it on candy crush is no worse than spending it reading agony aunt magazines or napping.

riehwvfbk 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I think we'll eventually realize that this line of thought is the same as tobacco company apologetics. Napping isn't A/B tested for maximum addictiveness.

II2II 8 hours ago | parent [-]

One of the things I enjoy about many (albeit, not all) cozy games is the ability to step into them, step out of the game five minutes later, then pick them up several days later. Sure, some developers are going to do A/B testing to monetize every last second of game play. That said, I doubt that many of those games would fit into a realistic definition of cozy games simply because most of them exploit the player's emotional state.

riehwvfbk 7 hours ago | parent [-]

And let me guess, you can quit any time you decide?

Try not to play for 30 days and report back with your findings. I think you are underestimating the amount of time you spend on this filler activity.

II2II 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We're talking about two separate things. I was talking about being able to play a game for 30 minutes (or even 5 minutes), then set it aside for later. That could be later in the day, or several days later.

Quitting gaming altogether wouldn't have many benefits in my case. I only play on weekends, and usually less than an hour per day. It's not that I'm boasting about a lack of filler activities in my life. I have them. They're just elsewhere.

maccard 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My point is that humans aren’t wired for 100% uptime, and filler activities are somewhat necessary. Any leisure activity is “filler”, and we don’t have to AB test something for it to be maximally harmful. Playing Fortnite is objectively less harmful than hurling bricks at buses, and only one of those is AB tested.

magic_hamster 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In defense of gory games - blood and gore can be framed in different ways. Some of my favorite early PC games were quite "gory", but the violence had a funny element to it. Carmageddon 1 and 2 are still pretty hilarious today because the poor pedestrians can meet such outlandish and ridiculous fates. Half Life also makes me chuckle with its low poly gibs. Gore can be quite silly.

polytely 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would suggest you start looking into independent games.

Just this month Blue Prince came out, a puzzle game à la mist but mixed with elements from modern rogue-lite games like Binding of Isaac. It is designed and directed by one guy, Tonda Ros, and it is thoughtful and rewards playing slowly and taking plenty of notes.

>I can't even dare to look at the title imagery of these new games on xbox while scrolling through list of games on app store. It's gory, weirdness and insanity being portrayed as high quality.

>I guess, humanity in the West craved for some excitement in their lives, due to post-war peace time being devoid of any survival struggle. And the media - movies, music, internet - kept on dumping loads of it. Even the music, which is supposed to flow with soft, pleasant and melodious tunes and beats, has turned into a cacophony of loud shouting and hysteric expressions and acts of the artists.

This is just plain wrong, and a sign you are not looking good enough. Never in the history of the world have we been producing the amount much art and culture as we are doing right now, the only problem is that the good stuff will not passively reach you, you will have to take initiative and seek it out.

taeric 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Blue Prince is remarkably fun. Finding the over arching story puzzles has been a real joy. Brings mystery to the experience and a new sort of suspense to how you plan out the house each day.

vinceguidry 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Lack of such frantic craziness is seen as boring (I never heard of this word boring in my childhood). Slow life in general is being viewed as socially unacceptable. We are frogs in a boiling pot.

Reminds me of this clip of Jeff Bezos being a total dick to William Shatner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GQoHIBDogU

Shatner later realized that 11 minutes in space wasn't really anything to write home about and that billionaires are assholes.

AndrewOMartin 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I learned about this from YouTuber Angela Collier recently and, not too take anything away from the thesis of their video or from your point, a longer video of the same event shows Bezos giving Shatner his undivided attention immediately after the shorter video ends.

Longer video here: https://cosmicperspective.com/william-shatner-overview-effec...

mdaniel 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Shatner later realized that 11 minutes in space wasn't really anything to write home about

I am totally on board with the qualifier "not worth the money," but I can't imagine an outcome that's not worth writing home about. Hell, I'd probably enjoy the ride just as much as the view because when else do you get to go multi-Mach?

WA 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah come on. While you have a point, it’s been bread and games, public executions, and sad classical music in D minor for hundreds of years.

hansworst 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Hundreds? The bread and games thing is literally a quote from the Roman Empire, and I’m sure they didn’t invent it themselves either.

WA 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes but "hundreds" is the selector that applies for all three of my examples, whereas "thousands" merely applies to two ;)

hansworst 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Pretty sure the romans had public executions too

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mvdtnz 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I can't even dare to look at the title imagery of these new games on xbox while scrolling through list of games on app store. It's gory, weirdness and insanity being portrayed as high quality.

What an absolutely stupid generalisation. Play what you want but don't be ignorant. I actually love a good gory or "insane" game but the last 5 played games on my Steam list are Factorio, Overcooked 2, Planet Coaster 2, Pico Park 2 and F1 2023. It's absolutely fine if you don't like video games but to class every mainstream video game as "gory, weirdness and insanity" is ignorant.

rikthevik 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Or play Wizardry and be so full of despair. :)

andai 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a funny way of looking at it... we finally have peace, and most the guys I know spend their free time rehearsing killing!

keepamovin 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes! I’m always wanting to play with my wife, but she finds it really boring. I find it super fun. Haha

darreninthenet 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which Forza would you recommend for doing that?

natebc 13 hours ago | parent [-]

For me at least, Forza Horizon 4 especially with Lego Valley.

9029 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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