> That is all a bunch of hogwash. Most people can get ID for like $20 from their state

There's also the cost of finding and getting copies of supporting documents, which are often in another state (e.g., the state you were born in, not the state you now live in). Records for many older Americans have not been digitized or even centralized so if your family moved when you were very young you may have to search the physical records in multiple counties to find yours.

> Even if I accept it, the answer is not to lower standards. It is to actually help these people get the ID that they need.

Obviously, but the same people passing voter ID laws are also making it harder for people to get ID. They reduce the number of offices that issue IDs, with the reductions disproportionately being in districts that tend to not vote for the people who are passing those laws. They say it is because those districts have much lower drivers per capita so don't need as many DMVs (which are usually the offices that deal with ID).

In the offices that remain they'll reduce the hours in which IDs are issued, getting rid of evening and weekend hours. For many poor people that can mean a full day of lost work to go try to get an ID, and many cannot afford that. Besides the loss of a day's pay these places often have terrible public transit so they are looking at an expensive ride on commercial transportation.

For people in low income jobs these barriers can be huge.

> Anything else permits rampant fraud

Then how come no one has been able to actually find evidence of such fraud? No matter how well funded the search they all come up empty.

> Go try to open a bank account or cash a check without ID. Everyone will tell you GTFO if you don't have the same type of ID needed to vote

23% of people earning under $25k/year do not have bank accounts but manage just fine. On that comment I gave you early with all the links to research that you ignored, someone asked how people live without ID and I posted a response there covering some of the ways they get buy.

It's not ill treatment. In many of those cases they openly said they didn't have any "specific evidence", but "belief".

That's not how courts work, and it's not unfair of them to hold you to an evidentiary standard.

It's not ill treatment, they're being targeted by courts because they're doing illegal shit.

It's not that libs are avoiding courts because they're favored, it's just that there's nothing to, you know, try them with. They didn't pull an insurrection. They don't constantly make up lies about everything. So...

Will you trust the courts that have Republican-appointed judges? Trump lost in those, too.

Given up being a debunked 2020 election conspiracy apologist?

The Steele Dossier was commissioned in 2016, before the election. Trump is claiming the 2020 election was "stolen" well after. Both bad. But not the same.

Trump's allies challenged the election results after losing, 60 times. (edit to add: Challenging, and getting their day in court, is fine! However,) No credible, election-result-changing fraud found. (edit to add: Despite losing in court, they continued to spread debunked conspiracies, and still claimed it was "stolen" without evidence. And still tried to hold on to power, Trump asked Pence to "do the right thing", and declare Trump the winner despite losing. This is the bad part.) Clinton did not challenge the election results after losing. Not the same. Not even close.

>>> By the way, Hillary and her cronies never accepted the 2016 election.

>> She conceded. Trump did not concede when he lost the 2020 election. These are facts. Get real.

> She "conceded" then continued smearing Trump for years and literally called him illegitimate.

It's like the goalposts keep moving to try and get away from the bullshit, but there's always more up ahead...

He inherited money, ran through it, went back and fleeced his dad and siblings of their money. Ran through that. Racked up hundreds of millions of debt, then ran for president. Now he bastardizes public office and exploits his position to generate wealth.

He inherited a lot more than $10M from his father's death. He got given a $10M ($85M in 2025 dollars) "loan" to start his first solo enterprise.

> He did inherit money, like $10M if I recall correctly.

Trump "received at least $413 million in today's dollars from his father's real estate empire".[1]

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/d...

Why do you speak so confidently around something you clearly know nothing about?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helpe...

> But Trump eventually made a comeback, and according to several sources with knowledge of Trump’s business, foreign money played a large role in reviving his fortunes, in particular investment by wealthy people from Russia and the former Soviet republics. This conclusion is buttressed by a growing body of evidence amassed by news organizations, as well as what is reportedly being investigated by Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Southern District of New York. It is a conclusion that even Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., has appeared to confirm, saying in 2008—after the Trump Organization was prospering again—that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aoc-is-multi-millionaire/

> According to the most recent disclosure from 2023, Ocasio-Cortez had documented that she had no more than between $1,001 and $15,000 in each of three different bank accounts. The total for these three accounts would land somewhere between $3,003 and $45,000. She also recorded in the disclosure having between $1,001 and $15,000 in additional funds in a fourth account for a 401k plan. Further, she noted in the disclosure that she was still paying off student loans, with an "amount of liability" landing somewhere between $15,001 and $50,000. In other words, Ocasio-Cortez was at least $940,000 short of being a millionaire, with the maximum possible amount of the four accounts totaling $60,000, and that's before even factoring in her student loan debt.

Do you get your information from anywhere other than random twitter posts?

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