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antonvs 13 days ago

Sure, you can define "proper" and "idea" to the claim post-facto to change what's being claimed, but the point is we do have ideas without language, and converting into language is not creating the idea.

card_zero 13 days ago | parent [-]

Why not both? Yes, we have ideas without language: and, creating a form of words to express the idea is creating a new and somewhat different version.