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$5-500 monthly payments just to bypass a decent anti-cheat...Cheaters must reflash their BIOS, wipe their PCs, reinstall Windows, and create a new account to play again...every few weeks

This is fun? If it's eSports for $$ I understand the incentive, otherwise pretending to be good, all the while likely having not a twinge of irony hit you as you 'git gud the opposition... It's a mindset I don't understand.

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aruametello a day ago | parent | next [-]

> It's a mindset I don't understand.

one of the scenarios is the person that is not looking on the enjoyment of "winning", but instead diving on the "trolling" realms of ruining the fun of others.

its irrelevant if he gets a ban because when he hears someone getting mad at him or sad, he gets a boner.

the mentality of "trying to punch people that cant defend themselves" is the description that i give of these to people that dont play video games. (because most wouldn't cheat without the anonymity)

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mpolichette a day ago | parent [-]

I'd also consider that, for these people, getting away with the cheating _is the game_ for them. What they're cheating at might be less important.

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_bin_ 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah I don't even play videogames but this sounds more appealing to me than the game itself. Like I did a little bit of anticheat bypass stuff with some buddies a while back just because it was fun to beat the anticheat guys. We used it a bit and one guy dropped it on a forum after a bit just to cause some chaos and to get some laughs, but I don't think any of us were especially interested in sitting down and trying to use it for real. Breaking systems is a really enjoyable game.

Now what I do not get is why people just fork over a few hundred bucks for someone else's cheating solution. You aren't winning anything, you aren't breaking anything, you're just copy-pasting someone else's work. Not doing it yourself sort of removes that appeal. The game you're playing is supposed to be against the anticheat guys and by buying someone else's solution you're not actually playing that game at all. Regular players aren't really a fun target.

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Peacefulz a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Let me preface this with a disclaimer. The games I cheat on are mostly private servers of active games, that exist in defiance of the companies Terms of Service. Mostly RuneScape servers or other MMOs being privately hosted. Whatever that caveat may lend.

This is exclusively what it is for me. I don't care about the games I cheat on at all. The game is finding ways to cheat that the host can't combat. If I can't beat them, I find a new private server. To be fair though, those guys generally don't have the resources or know-how to battle cheating to the degree major companies can and I'm a noob so it's a learning environment for me as well.

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pete762 a day ago | parent | next [-]

But you're still ruining other people's fun for selfish reasons. Why not find some fun activity that's not a zero sum game?

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Peacefulz 20 hours ago | parent [-]

The type of cheating I do rarely interfaces with other players, outside of enriching them with the spoils of my effort when I'm through. In a protracted way I can agree this "ruins the fun"...but not in the way that griefing does. I just spike in-game economies and leave. Balance is shortly restored.

	▲	Doxin 17 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> outside of enriching them with the spoils of my effort when I'm through For what it's worth, to me and I assume a lot of other people, this ruins the game. There's nothing I dislike more than getting invited to a survival minecraft server (or whatever) and having someone dump diamond everything on me as a gift. What even is the point of playing the game anymore at that point?

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codybontecou 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The first bits of code I ever read and wrote were due to botting in Runescape.

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nextlevelwizard 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Peer pressure is hell of a drug. If your friend group mainly plays competitive shooters and you suck at them you can easily gain status by paying for a aimbot.

Also current hustle culture’s toxic “your time is valuable and should not be wasted” mentality plays a role. Many people hate playing video games and losing because they then feel like they didn’t achieve anything and wasted their time. With cheats you can make sure you win so you “don’t end up wasting your time.”

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Aurornis a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is in the same vein as trolling and griefing: Some people give up at the first difficulty. Others will see it as a challenge and get a thrill out of overcoming it. The more challenging it becomes, the more invested they get.

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inetknght a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's a mindset I don't understand.

As someone who used to cheat in online games until I got a real job...

I could create my own story. I would cheat on servers where other people wanted to play in that story too. Eventually cheats become mods and mods become permitted. Once everyone has access to that story then the story is boring.

Think about a dungeon master who brings their own tools and props to some other board game and then invents a whole new game. Plenty of games or game mods kind've started in similar ways.

Plus it was fun to sometimes exact revenge upon other cheaters.

	▲	kibibu a day ago \| parent [-]
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recursivecaveat a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think a lot of people are simply delusional. "My teams are holding me back, I only turn it on when they're throwing the game" or "I have the game sense of a masters player, I just don't have time to practice execution / grind rank". Boosting account ranks is the same deal, and it's a big industry.

	▲	burnished a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Oh absolutely, used to see it in LoL, people would complain about their teammates holding them back and really deserving to be two leagues higher.. all I could say was that if you watched better players you'd see that the game they are playing and the game we are playing are only superficially similar, and that if you were playing on that level it'd be obvious (cause you'd be winning). Don't think it ever penetrated though.
	▲	denkmoon a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Everyone's the good guy in their own mind.

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viccis a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd imagine the people who want the hardcore undetectable stuff are making money by charging others to boost them.

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Retr0id a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cheat dev is a meta-game in itself, but I agree, paying for cheats is a really weird concept.

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trod1234 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The mindset is simple to understand.

It is the self-deluded individual who enjoys abusing and torturing others, and has willfully blinded themselves to anything else.

More beast walking on two legs than human, and meets a relatively objective definition for evil people.

Willfully blinded through acts of false justification, repeated acts of destruction and active torture on others.

These are things if they did it physically they would go to prison or be put to death under capital punishment. Psychological harm isn't being treated with the same rigor as physical harm though.