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jwr a day ago

The problem is with work ethics, not with jobs.

In Japan, it's impressive to see how people perform even the most menial jobs with dedication. It's the Yoda approach: do or do not. If you do a job, do it well. So, you will see people whose job is to stand in the rain and watch over a construction site exit making sure people in the sidewalk do not get run over by trucks exiting the site, doing their job with utter dedication. Even if it rains. Even if the job is crappy. I'm sure these people would rather have a different job — but as long as this is the one they have, they will sure as anything do it well!

starky an hour ago | parent | next [-]

What is killing people's work ethic in your opinion then?

How is that person in Japan paid? Are they able to live comfortably and not have to worry about whether they are going to be bankrupted by an unexpected medical problem or bill?

From my perspective, A major problem in the west is that it has become unaffordable for so many people and they are always stressed about money which permeates into the rest of their life. If you are always on the precipice of being homeless it is understandable why they are stressed and able to be exploited by predatory companies working them to the bone.

bob1029 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The average level of work ethic in the areas I frequent has cratered over the last 6-7 years.

I can feel it happening to me as well. I used to get super anxious if I wasn't going to be able to respond to a work email within a few minutes. Basically chained myself to my desk at home M-F. Remember phone calls? Having to answer a ringing phone within 15 seconds or you could be perceived as delinquent? No one is responding quickly to anything anymore.

Keeping myself amped up 8 hours a day for vendors and customers who are 1000% asleep at the wheel is too much. I wait for meaningful work to accumulate now and work in bursts. This definitely contributes to the downward spiral, but I don't know what else to do. Human energy is finite. I'm willing to stick my neck out really far for really long if it seems like others are willing to do the same, but it doesn't feel like that kind of situation right now.

jampekka a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> So, you will see people whose job is to stand in the rain and watch over a construction site exit making sure people in the sidewalk do not get run over by trucks exiting the site, doing their job with utter dedication.

That kind of job existing in the first place is the problem. And that could be well called subservience instead of work ethic.

jwr 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> That kind of job existing in the first place is the problem.

Yes, that was my initial reaction, too, when I first saw these people. I felt superior, in My Western World we didn't have jobs like that. We did Bigger and More Important Things. This job was surely an artifact, a silly attempt to reduce unemployment.

But after living in Japan for a while I realized that these jobs actually make a lot of sense. Those people pay attention and really do make sure that people do not get run over by trucks. They direct traffic, they make it easier for truck drivers, they make it easier and safer for people walking on the sidewalk as well. As a side effect, they also watch for unexpected things: if it's a roadwork site, theft, or even things like traffic cones toppling over, or safety lights not working correctly.

It really improves things for everyone.

voidnap 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> That kind of job existing in the first place is the problem.

Why? You don't think that job is important? To prevent injuries around a construction site?

jampekka 20 hours ago | parent [-]

In most of the world that job is done by a traffic light.

voidnap 16 hours ago | parent [-]

I can't speak to Japan, but the construction sites I've seen where someone is directing traffic also make use of traffic lights. They serve different purposes.

const_cast 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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