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I wish it were a reckoning for social media, but reading here shows there's plenty of people here who are passionate about "China bad" and see this only through that one lens. And they seem to think it is strictly about TikTok.

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epolanski 13 hours ago | parent [-]

As an European citizen I'm very uneasy with US-based services having my data and I nuked everything from ages bar LinkedIn and HN.

The hard part is de-googling.

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jagermo 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

even harder is finding a payment system that is not US-based and broadly accepted (no, not crypto).

I do have some hopes for a digital euro and, maybe, maybe, even Wero. But i fear it will never take off because too many players are involved and there is no clear marketing strategy to get it to people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wero_(payment)

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pc86 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The is a completely legitimate and not uncommon viewpoint. But is it relevant in the context of this thread?

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miroljub 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes.

What is China for Americans, for us Europeans, is the USA.

Some argue that it's even worse for Europeans because the Chinese military and government can't reach you while in the USA. And there is no safe place for Europeans from the US government, unless they move to China or Russia.

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epolanski 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think that it's a bit overblown.

But it's a problem when your biggest ally treats you like an ally, says you're living off him militarily and spies/hacks you non stop.

China is not a military threat to Europe, it's literally on the other part of the globe. It's only a threat to US geopolitical ambitions.

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stcroixx 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The US and most of Europe share a military alliance. The US and China are adversaries.

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zeroonetwothree 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh come on. The US is in a military alliance with most of Europe. And hasn’t banned any European apps from operating. And has similar democratic and human rights policies.

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catlikesshrimp 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As I understood your post: You said the US is worse because "Europeans" are willing to relocate to the US. And also that China is better because they are not likely to relocate to neither Russia nor China.

Is that correct?

	▲	akovaski 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		This is an incorrect understanding of what they wrote. It's not about Europeans relocating to the US or Americans relocating to China. They're saying (that other people are saying) that in the US, you are safe from the Chinese government/military. In the EU, you are not safe from the US government/military. Also note that the claim is not that the US is worse than China for Europeans. The claim is that the US is worse for Europeans than China is for Americans. The last part about relocating is saying that you can only be safe from the US government/military in China or Russia. Based on extradition agreements, this conclusion seems true enough on the surface. And maybe US military bases in Europe play a role as well. But this is a thread about national security concerns via social media, and I think it's hard to make a broad and definitive conclusion due to the wide variety of soft and hard powers that countries exert internationally.

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krunck 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The hard part is de-googling.

But it's worth the effort.