| ▲ | epolanski 3 months ago |
| As an European citizen I'm very uneasy with US-based services having my data and I nuked everything from ages bar LinkedIn and HN. The hard part is de-googling. |
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| ▲ | jagermo 3 months ago | parent | next [-] |
| even harder is finding a payment system that is not US-based and broadly accepted (no, not crypto). I do have some hopes for a digital euro and, maybe, maybe, even Wero. But i fear it will never take off because too many players are involved and there is no clear marketing strategy to get it to people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wero_(payment) |
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| ▲ | herbst 3 months ago | parent [-] | | Why not crypto? It's exactly that and works pretty well | | |
| ▲ | jagermo 2 months ago | parent [-] | | It does not. Its volatile, its backed by some at least as shady companies, rugpulls are constant, the acceptance rate of crypto is way below Mastercard/Visa or even Amex, you need to have at least a charged phone and and and. Sorry, I don't see any available version of crypto replacing MC or Visa. |
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| ▲ | pc86 3 months ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The is a completely legitimate and not uncommon viewpoint. But is it relevant in the context of this thread? |
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| ▲ | miroljub 3 months ago | parent [-] | | Yes. What is China for Americans, for us Europeans, is the USA. Some argue that it's even worse for Europeans because the Chinese military and government can't reach you while in the USA. And there is no safe place for Europeans from the US government, unless they move to China or Russia. | | |
| ▲ | epolanski 3 months ago | parent | next [-] | | I think that it's a bit overblown. But it's a problem when your biggest ally treats you like an ally, says you're living off him militarily and spies/hacks you non stop. China is not a military threat to Europe, it's literally on the other part of the globe. It's only a threat to US geopolitical ambitions. | |
| ▲ | stcroixx 3 months ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The US and most of Europe share a military alliance. The US and China are adversaries. | | |
| ▲ | herbst 3 months ago | parent [-] | | Just because we share some clubs together doesn't really make us to allies | | |
| ▲ | stcroixx 2 months ago | parent [-] | | The US has planned for that scenario by heavily investing in defense to minimize risk to our security even if our allies abandon us. The rest of the NATO alliance does not appear to have done this and appears quite vulnerable. I know where I'd rather be. | | |
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| ▲ | catlikesshrimp 3 months ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As I understood your post: You said the US is worse because "Europeans" are willing to relocate to the US. And also that China is better because they are not likely to relocate to neither Russia nor China. Is that correct? | | |
| ▲ | akovaski 3 months ago | parent [-] | | This is an incorrect understanding of what they wrote. It's not about Europeans relocating to the US or Americans relocating to China. They're saying (that other people are saying) that in the US, you are safe from the Chinese government/military. In the EU, you are not safe from the US government/military. Also note that the claim is not that the US is worse than China for Europeans. The claim is that the US is worse for Europeans than China is for Americans. The last part about relocating is saying that you can only be safe from the US government/military in China or Russia. Based on extradition agreements, this conclusion seems true enough on the surface. And maybe US military bases in Europe play a role as well. But this is a thread about national security concerns via social media, and I think it's hard to make a broad and definitive conclusion due to the wide variety of soft and hard powers that countries exert internationally. |
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| ▲ | zeroonetwothree 3 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh come on. The US is in a military alliance with most of Europe. And hasn’t banned any European apps from operating. And has similar democratic and human rights policies. | | |
| ▲ | herbst 3 months ago | parent | next [-] | | > And has similar democratic and human rights policies. In Europe we have some direct and some less direct democracy and human rights that a really apply without any Guantanamo exceptions. When there are issues there are laws made, not singular platforms banned. It's not similar and offensive to say so. | |
| ▲ | ternnoburn 3 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | Europe and the U.S. are miles (or kilometers, I suppose) apart of human rights policies. Another poster pointed out Guantanamo, but our prison population is unreal compared to Europe. We're rolling back child labor laws. We're burning and banning books. We don't have universal suffrage. We're actively and enthusiastically participating in a genocide against the Palestinian people. We've got a "border zone" in which our cops have huge authority that extends 100 miles in from every border. We're letting Americans starve, sleep rough, and die from preventable disease because taking care of each other is considered "communist". The right to protest is being heavily curtailed. And we've continued to gerrymander away democracy across our nation. No, we're nowhere close to the human rights or democratic positions of Europe. Which of course, is also not perfect, but along those two specific axes? The U.S. is far, far away. |
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| ▲ | krunck 3 months ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > The hard part is de-googling. But it's worth the effort. |
