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onetokeoverthe 7 months ago

If not respected, some Creators will strike, lay flat, not post, go underground.

Ignoring moral rights of creators is the issue.

CaptainFever 7 months ago | parent [-]

Moral rights involve the attribution of works where reasonable and practical. Clearly doing so during inference is not reasonable or practical (you'll have to attribute all of humanity!) but attributing individual sources is possible and is already being done in cases like ChatGPT Search.

So I don't think you actually mean moral rights, since it's not being ignored here.

But the first sentence of your comment still stands regardless of what you meant by moral rights. To that, well... we're still commenting here, are we not? Despite it with almost 100% certainty being used to train AI. We're still here.

And yes, funding is a thing, which I agree needs copyright for the most part unfortunately. But does training AI on, for example, a book really reduce the need to buy the book, if it is not reproduced?

Remember, training is not just about facts, but about learning how humans talk, how languages work, how books work, etc. Learning that won't reduce the book's economical value.

And yes, summaries may reduce the value. But summaries already exist. Wikipedia, Cliff's Notes. I think the main defense is that you can't copyright facts.

onetokeoverthe 7 months ago | parent [-]

we're still commenting here, are we not? Despite it with almost 100% certainty being used to train AI. We're still here

?!?! Comparing and equating commenting to creative works. ?!?!

These comments are NOT equivalent to the 17 full time months it took me to write a nonfiction book.

Or an 8 year art project.

When I give away my work I decide to whom and how.

CaptainFever 7 months ago | parent [-]

I have already covered these points in the latter paragraphs.

You might want to take a look at https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.en.html

onetokeoverthe 7 months ago | parent [-]

I'll decide the distribution of my work. Be it 100 million unique views or NOT at all.

CaptainFever 7 months ago | parent [-]

If you don't have a proper argument, it's best not to distribute your comment at all.

onetokeoverthe 7 months ago | parent [-]

If saying it's my work is not a "proper" argument, that says it all.

CaptainFever 7 months ago | parent [-]

Indeed, owner.

Look, either actually read the link and refute the points within, or don't. But there's no use discussing anything if you're unwilling to even understand and seriously refute a single point being made here, other than repeating "mine, mine, mine".

onetokeoverthe 7 months ago | parent [-]

Read it. Lots of nots, and no respect.

In the process, [OpenAI] trained ChatGPT not to acknowledge or respect copyright, not to notify ChatGPT users when the responses they received were protected by journalists’ copyrights, and not to provide attribution when using the works of human journalists

CaptainFever 7 months ago | parent [-]

No, wrong link.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42279218