Eventually we're going to have embodied models capable of live learning and it'll be extremely apparent how absurd the ideas of the copyright extremists are. Because in their world, it'd be illegal for an intelligent robot to watch TV, read a book or browse the internet like a human can, because it could remember what it saw and potentially regurgitate it in future.

You have to understand, the media companies don't give a shit about the logic, in fact I'm sure a lot of the people pushing the litigation probably see the absurdity of it. This is a business turf war, the stated litigation is whatever excuse they can find to try and go on the offensive against someone they see as a potential threat. The pro copyright group (big media) sees the writing on the wall, that they're about to get dunked on by big tech, and they're thrashing and screaming because $$$.

If humanity ever gets to the point where intelligent robots are capable of watching TV like human can, having to adjust copyright laws seems like the least of problems. How about having to adjust almost every law related to basic "human" rights, ownership, being to establish a contract, being responsible for crimes and endless other things.

But for now your washing machine cannot own other things, and you owning a washing machine isn't considered slavery.

> copyright extremists

It's not copyright "extremism" to expect a level playing field. As long as humans have to adhere to copyright, so should AI companies. If you want to abolish copyright, by all means do, but don't give AI a special exemption.

problem is when a human company profits over their scrape... this isn't a non-profit running out of volunteers & a total distant reality from autonomous robots learning it way by itself

we are discussing an emergent cause that has social & ecological consequences. servers are power hungry stuff that may or not run on a sustainable grid (that also has a bazinga of problems like leaking heavy chemicals on solar panels production, hydro-electric plants destroying their surroundings etc.) & the current state of producing hardware, be a sweatshop or conflict minerals. lets forget creators copyright violation that is written in the law code of almost every existing country and no artist is making billions out of the abuse of their creation right (often they are pretty chill on getting their stuff mentioned, remixed and whatever)

Leaving aside the hypothetical "live learning AGI" of the future (given that money is made or lost now), would a human regurgitating content that is not theirs - but presented as if it is - be acceptable to you?

The problem is, we can't come up with a solution where both parties are happy, because in the end, consumers choose one (getting information from news agencies) or the other (getting information from chatgpt). So, both are fighting for life.

Exactly. Also core to the copyright extremists’ delusional train of thought is the fact that they don’t seem to understand (or admit) that ingesting, creating a model, and then outputting based on that model is exactly what people do when they observe others’ works and are inspired to create.

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