| ▲ | JoshTriplett 6 hours ago |
| > copyright extremists It's not copyright "extremism" to expect a level playing field. As long as humans have to adhere to copyright, so should AI companies. If you want to abolish copyright, by all means do, but don't give AI a special exemption. |
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| ▲ | CuriouslyC 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's actually the opposite of what you're saying. I can 100% legally do all the things that they're suing OpenAI for. Their whole argument is that the rules should be different when a machine does it than a human. |
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| ▲ | JoshTriplett 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Only because it would be unconscionable to apply copyright to actual human brains, so we don't. But, for instance, you absolutely can commit copyright violation by reading something and then writing something very similar, which is one reason why reverse engineering commonly uses clean-room techniques. AI training is in no way a clean room. |
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| ▲ | IAmGraydon 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Except LLMs are in no way violating copyright in the true sense of the word. They aren’t spitting out a copy of what they ingested. |
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| ▲ | JoshTriplett 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Go make a movie using the same plot as a Disney movie, that doesn't copy any of the text or images of the original, and see how far "not spitting out a copy" gets you in court. AI's approach to copyright is very much "rules for thee but not for me". | | |
| ▲ | rcxdude 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That might get you pretty far in court, actually. You'd have to be pretty close in terms of the sequence of events, character names, etc. Especially considering how many Disney movies are based on pre-existing stories, if you were, to, say, make a movie featuring talking animals that more or less followed the plot of Hamlet, you would have a decent chance of prevailing in court, given the resources to fight their army of lawyers. | |
| ▲ | bdangubic 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 100% agree. but now a million$ question - how would you deal with AI when it comes to copyright? what rules could we possibly put in place? | | |
| ▲ | JoshTriplett 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The same rules we already have: follow the license of whatever you use. If something doesn't have a license, don't use it. And if someone says "but we can't build AI that way!", too bad, go fix it for everyone first. | | |
| ▲ | slyall 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You have a lot of opinions on AI for somebody who has only read stuff in the public domain |
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