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deadbabe 7 months ago

I don’t understand why you would PIP a person and keep them waffling around for months on end collecting paychecks when you can just severance them out and pay less in time and money?

icedchai 7 months ago | parent | next [-]

You are probably right... in most cases. Companies have lawyers and those lawyers are very risk adverse. The PIP is basically a period of employment where the company collects evidence on your (lack off) performance. This evidence can be shown as justification for firing, in the unlikely even it is needed.

PIP = "Paid Interview Period"

I've never seen anyone recover from a PIP.

benreesman 7 months ago | parent [-]

I’ve run several PIPs and haven’t lost anyone. This was in collaboration with a really good HRBP though.

stavros 7 months ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We do it because we legitimately want them to improve, and the last resort is "if we can't work it out by X, we can no longer employ you". I don't think we've done it more than once or twice, though, because increasing the directness of the feedback that the employee is not doing well has generally worked.

icedchai 7 months ago | parent [-]

I've never seen anyone put on a PIP where the intention was anything other than eventual firing. In all these cases, the person was doing an awful job for over a year, or in some cases, since they were hired.

stavros 7 months ago | parent | next [-]

Sure, but in our company, it's different. We ended up keeping the person in one or two of those cases (I forget the numbers because there were so few).

hackable_sand 7 months ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would the company hire them then? That just sounds like emotional abuse.

icedchai 7 months ago | parent [-]

Because they did well in the interview and seemed like a good fit.

devmor 7 months ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I believe that often times the PIP is an attempt to get more value out of an employee that you would otherwise replace with offshore resources.

i.e. "Maybe if we spook them, we can get the work of two people out of them for a while."

thelastparadise 7 months ago | parent [-]

If they did that to me I would take it as a sign of disrespect and resign immediately.

Oops now you gotta hire a new one.

carlgreene 7 months ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is to cover some of their bases in a potential wrongful termination case

asdff 7 months ago | parent | prev [-]

Management has its own incentives to limit turnover and maintain their department headcounts.