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seventhtiger 16 hours ago

That only makes it fair within your country, but it doesn't remove the self-crippling effects.

david-gpu 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That is why international agreements like the Montreal Protocol are so important.

revscat 15 hours ago | parent [-]

That was 40 years ago. In the interim capitalism has won and democracy is failing. Agreements like Montreal will never happen again, at least not in our lifetimes.

Look no further than the failure of the Paris Agreement and the ascent of authoritarianism worldwide. No one cares about environmental agreements, certainly not those in the rarified airs of billionaires, oligarchs, and other captains 9f industry.

david-gpu 9 hours ago | parent [-]

> Agreements like Montreal will never happen again

They happen all the time. Just look at how the European Union operates on a day-to-day basis.

This and the Montreal Protocol wasn't achieved with a self-defeating attitude, though.

maeil 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> This and the Montreal Protocol wasn't achieved with a self-defeating attitude, though.

What's clear is that the attitudes of those of us in favour of such measures has only achieved the opposite is the last decade, as the user you're replying to has rightfully pointed out. Optimism has gotten us nowhere.

maeil 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They're not self-crippling, that's the whole point of internalizing negative externalities.