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exceptione 7 hours ago

    The only question is: are we able to withstand the firehose of highly available, highly irrelevant short-form dopamine hit entertainment in order to find it?

Simple but effective solution:

1. You bring news or debate? You will have to comply with a journalistic code.

2. You want to optimize revenue? You think about infotainment, click bait etc? You better not, because you will have to comply with the journalistic code. No pretending here.

3. The board of journalistic media should be 100% separate from any commercial interests.

Or democracy will perish eventually.

RiverCrochet 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The following item counters and possibly invalidates the above assertion "simple":

- News reporting is straightforward insofar as requiring a code. Opinion about news is where it gets messy - if someone has a TV or radio show where they render their opinions or thoughts about news events, that's first amendment territory.

The following item counters and possibly invalidates the above assertion "effective":

- Journalism probably must be scalably funded to scalably exist. We see currently that people are not willing to do that and that opinion heads pervade the "news and information" space. So requiring compliance to a code in order to profit off of journalism doesn't work for the same reason minimum wage doesn't really work - people can just choose not to interact with code-compliant journalism much like companies can just not hire people.

The following item counters and possibly invalidates both the above assertions "simple" and "effective" at once.

- You cannot separate any board of X from political interests, which are much more important if commercial interests are explicilty separated from X.

> Or democracy will perish eventually.

None of the above counters or invalidates this statement.

exceptione 4 hours ago | parent [-]

(Although the response is not gibberish, I can´t feel certain that I reply to a chatgpt response (?))

You take it too static. If you are waiting for the type-safe, leak free hammered approach, you will achieve nothing.

I want you to take this approach to get you going in the right direction.

  Opinion pieces
- Opinion pieces are indeed a way where editorial boards go cheap, outsourcing meta thinking to external entities/influence. Those editorial boards going of the rails there is not an act of nature, but like in the case of the NYT a consequence of commercial ownership. As part of the code any opinion piece should be clearly marked as such, as well as the interests of the author.

  Journalism probably must be scalabe

There is no need for scalable mega media corporations. In countries with 1) public news organizations[*] and 2) required independent editorial boards, commercial titles are not as going overboard as in the US.

  You cannot separate any board of X from political interests
You can, but you can never be absolute 100% perfect.

A peculiar, mindset has been programmed that ethics in society is defined in what what terms the lawyer wrote. A good society is all about what you collectively allow or disallow, no scheme, no law can perfectly defeat all bad actors all the time.

The social part of "society" is an activity. If you as normal people don't show up, then it will be a Murdoch party.

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* independent from but financed by the state