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| ▲ | baud147258 7 months ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not sure Paris has one of the best public transit in the world or maybe that's just an indicative of the sorry state of public transit worldwide. I mean I wouldn't call world-class a system where just a single failure easily strands 1 million people halfway to their destination and where trains are delayed and cancelled routinely, often without information given to passengers. I'm in favor of more public transportation, but if you think people use car willingly in and around Paris, I don't think you've tried it; it's so bad that only people with no viable choice will use a car. Or maybe you could explain (for example) how my sister in law was supposed to carry her two baby kids to the daycare using an overcrowded metro (and bonus, through stations without working elevators) or how my brother was supposed to carry the equipment he was using to constructions sites he was working. And then you've got all the places where taking a car is a 30 min trip vs 2 hours by bus or public transportation (thankfully the Grand Paris initiatives are helping a lot there). For now, removing cars in Paris just push them around the city, because the public transportation network isn't ready. | | |
| ▲ | Kuinox 7 months ago | parent [-] | | For a lot of destination you can take 2-3 differentes routes. The rest of your comment try to justify car usage by taking less than 5% of the transit in the city, when there is already exception or infrastructures made for the scenario you described (except elevators and accessibility, thats a big issur in paris intra-muros).
Yes, there are a lot of people that use the car when they can not use it, thats still most of the car traffic. | | |
| ▲ | baud147258 7 months ago | parent [-] | | > Yes, there are a lot of people that use the car when they can not use it, thats still most of the car traffic. so, do you have any data to back up that assertion? (I won't claim that I have any favorable to my argument, just the observation that driving in and Paris around Paris is pretty bad) > For a lot of destination you can take 2-3 differentes routes. most alternative routes usually take longer and end up congested whenever the main route is having issues. | | |
| ▲ | Kuinox 7 months ago | parent [-] | | The average is still 1.3 person per car, if you get outside a little you will see tons of single person in cars, and not in minitruck like artisans. https://www.paris.fr/pages/le-bilan-des-deplacements-a-paris... Indicate 13% of the traffic is for utilitary vehicule. This number include people taking their utilitary vehicule for personal reason.
50% is for personal vehicules. Also, why were you driving around Paris ? > most alternative routes usually take longer It depends. | | |
| ▲ | baud147258 7 months ago | parent [-] | | But I don't see anything in the document that shows that people are using personal vehicles for deplacements they could have easily been made with public transportation. Which was your original point that I disagreeing with: people aren't 'brainwashed by cars', but rather can't practically use another way. Also, according to one of the linked pdf, cars in Paris are barely for Paris-Paris movement, but more for Paris-suburbs, which is still the biggest weakness of the public transportation network. | | |
| ▲ | Kuinox 7 months ago | parent [-] | | If you need to go east-west of paris suburb, that's 1h in car, the same time in public transit.
If you need to go north-south of paris suburb, that's 1h in car and 30 mins in public transit. |
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| ▲ | nradov 7 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | How do people get around Paris when transit employees don't feel like working that day? | | |
| ▲ | Kuinox 7 months ago | parent | next [-] | | There are multiple route to get from point A to B.
For example, from Versailles to Invalides, you can take:
RER C then Metro 8.
Or TER N then i can choose from two different metro line at Montparnasse
Or TER U then RER A. There is also buses, bus since the rail is faster, I never take it. In case of strike the network is never fully down, people that can remote work do it, so there is a lot less of people transiting.
On the biggest strike you can loose an hour or two while commuting, for small strike, it will get more crowded. | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL 7 months ago | parent | prev [-] | | They don't, because that would be the whole point of a total shutdown in a coordinated, all-modes transit employees strike. Ask people in London, they have that on a semi-regular basis. Otherwise, there is no such thing as "transit employees not feeling like working" - thanks to the magic of economy holding a metaphorical gun to the heads of most people. You work whether you feel like it or not. |
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