> Yes, there are a lot of people that use the car when they can not use it, thats still most of the car traffic.

so, do you have any data to back up that assertion? (I won't claim that I have any favorable to my argument, just the observation that driving in and Paris around Paris is pretty bad)

> For a lot of destination you can take 2-3 differentes routes.

most alternative routes usually take longer and end up congested whenever the main route is having issues.

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Kuinox 10 months ago | parent [-]

The average is still 1.3 person per car, if you get outside a little you will see tons of single person in cars, and not in minitruck like artisans.

https://www.paris.fr/pages/le-bilan-des-deplacements-a-paris...

Indicate 13% of the traffic is for utilitary vehicule. This number include people taking their utilitary vehicule for personal reason. 50% is for personal vehicules.

Also, why were you driving around Paris ?

> most alternative routes usually take longer

It depends.

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baud147258 10 months ago | parent [-]

But I don't see anything in the document that shows that people are using personal vehicles for deplacements they could have easily been made with public transportation. Which was your original point that I disagreeing with: people aren't 'brainwashed by cars', but rather can't practically use another way.

Also, according to one of the linked pdf, cars in Paris are barely for Paris-Paris movement, but more for Paris-suburbs, which is still the biggest weakness of the public transportation network.

	▲	Kuinox 10 months ago \| parent [-]
		If you need to go east-west of paris suburb, that's 1h in car, the same time in public transit. If you need to go north-south of paris suburb, that's 1h in car and 30 mins in public transit.