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shepherdjerred 10 hours ago

It’s pretty unlikely that this is true for a few reasons:

- Doctors want the best outcomes for their patients. They’ll use whatever treatment is most effective

- Doctors want the best outcomes for themselves. If they’ve found an effective treatment that others are overlooking then they’ll seek to publish

- Patients want the best outcomes for themselves. If there is an overlooked treatment then they’ll communicate it to their doctor

it’s unlikely for an effective treatment to exist and be ignored by the medical community for decades just because something can’t be patented

dennis_jeeves2 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Very wrong on all 3. It's an extremely naive world view.

shepherdjerred 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What do you think is correct instead?

dennis_jeeves2 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

> - Doctors want the best outcomes for their patients. They’ll use whatever treatment is most effective.

They will often do what make them the most money. Also remember that is doctor is subject to rules and regulations. He risks loosing his license if he does not toe the line. Your average medical student is about half a million dollars in debt when he/she graduates.

> - Doctors want the best outcomes for themselves. If they’ve found an effective treatment that others are overlooking then they’ll seek to publish.

Doctors do want the best outcomes for themselves, but if you manged to become a doctor, it means that you have never learned to question authority. Many doctors believe that what they are taught is Gospel. A doctor or a medical student who questions authority, will either not make it through medical college, or will have a license revoked.

>- Patients want the best outcomes for themselves. If there is an overlooked treatment then they’ll communicate it to their doctor.

A patient is generally ridiculed, or ignored by the doctor if he suggests something that he thinks is better.

It goes without saying that there are exceptions both among doctors and patients.

triceratops an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Please explain to us all why glory and survival aren't more effective motivators than the money to be made from patenting something.

dennis_jeeves2 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

Things simply don't work that way. It cannot be explained, it has to be experienced.

triceratops 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

I was speaking from experience.

dennis_jeeves2 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

No, not your personal experience, but the experiences of the others. For example look up Linus Pauling's writings on the subject, and the writings of his detractors. Spend atleast 50 hours on it.

DrScientist 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Doctors want the best outcomes for themselves. If they’ve found an effective treatment that others are overlooking then they’ll seek to publish

However often the work required to prove something is effective is beyond a capacity of a single Doctor. Also in terms of wanting the best outcome for themselves - sometimes that involves not putting their career at risk by trying unproven treatments on patients ( you are focussing on the outcome when it works, not the more likely outcome and consequence of it not working ).

So sure 'miracle' cures are unlikely to lay undiscovered - but most improvements in medicine are incremental, rather than miraculous.

shepherdjerred an hour ago | parent [-]

I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying. But it sounds like the parent said there’s a miracle treatment that the medical community is ignoring for lack of a financial incentive (and they then go on to mention a financial incentive?)

NotGMan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>> If there is an overlooked treatment then they’ll communicate it to their doctor

Hah sure.

Try this and tell me how the egomanical "gods in white" react.

Go through some stuff the RFK says about vaccines etc... and you'll see that in real life it's the opposite.

shepherdjerred an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I’m not saying all doctors are perfect or even good, but surely there would be at least some occasions where a patient tries this supposedly very effective treatment, gets better, and the doctor is left curious.

wat10000 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The only thing you should take away from the stuff RFK says about vaccines is that RFK is a complete kook.