> - Doctors want the best outcomes for their patients. They’ll use whatever treatment is most effective.

They will often do what make them the most money. Also remember that is doctor is subject to rules and regulations. He risks loosing his license if he does not toe the line. Your average medical student is about half a million dollars in debt when he/she graduates.

> - Doctors want the best outcomes for themselves. If they’ve found an effective treatment that others are overlooking then they’ll seek to publish.

Doctors do want the best outcomes for themselves, but if you manged to become a doctor, it means that you have never learned to question authority. Many doctors believe that what they are taught is Gospel. A doctor or a medical student who questions authority, will either not make it through medical college, or will have a license revoked.

>- Patients want the best outcomes for themselves. If there is an overlooked treatment then they’ll communicate it to their doctor.

A patient is generally ridiculed, or ignored by the doctor if he suggests something that he thinks is better.

It goes without saying that there are exceptions both among doctors and patients.

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jamieplex 7 months ago | parent [-]

Either you are not from the USA, are trolling, or don't really know the U.S. medical system. Yes, maybe a few private practice doctors are greedy, but generally, doctors "in the system" don't personally generate more funds by doing things different, prescribing more drugs, etc. They are on salary. As far as other types of doctors (eg. chiropractors), they DEFINITELY drive home more money by prescribing more, requiring return visits, etc. But I call them doctors only by the loosest of definitions.

I am baffled by your second paragraph. It is just plainly illogical.

The third paragraph tells me that you ARE possibly from outside the USA, or that you have only seen a few doctors and they were proud or rude. We (personally) have seen private doctors, hospital doctors, country doctors, etc. over 50 years (at least 50-60 different ones). And the preponderance of our evidence shows you are either misinformed, or you are a patient who wants to self prescribe treatments that are medically unsound or 'fringe'. And, yes, those WILL be ignored by any average doctor. But then you could always fly to Mexico and get those useless treatments for low cost...

	▲	dennis_jeeves2 7 months ago \| parent [-]
		All I will say is this: We have different assessments of the situation. And yes I do live in US. Some of what you point out is correct: Most doctors are on salary, but they are often (implicitly) required to bring in more business by the organization they work for. If they don't, they risk loosing their license/job on some pretext. In totality what I said overall hold true. These are statements from the renegade doctors themselves. Of course you are going to dismiss them as fringe, quacks etc. Labeling someone is a fringe and easy way to dismiss them, it does not involve any work. What time have you spend listening to these fringe MDs? What time have you spent examining their patient outcomes/reports? Any yes, it goes without saying one has to be discerning even among the fringe MDs.