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▲ ozim 3 months ago

I am running VPSes at our small startup-ish company on IaaS cloud.

Every time we get a new guy I have to explain that we are already „in cloud” there is no need to „move to cloud”.

▲rcleveng 3 months ago | parent [-]

Do they mean PAAS vs IAAS when they say "move to cloud"?

▲ozim 3 months ago | parent [-]

Mostly business guys don’t know the difference but we are running on local cloud provider and they think of it is not on Azure or AWS it is not in cloud - they understand that we run stuff on servers but they also don’t understand VPS is IaaS.

Developers want to use PaaS and also AWS or Azure so they can put it on their resume for the future.

▲bluehatbrit 3 months ago | parent [-]

> Developers want to use PaaS and also AWS or Azure so they can put it on their resume for the future.

I think this is a little disingenuous. Developers want to use them because they already know them. The services composing them are also often well documented by the provider.

I say all of that as someone trying to move a company away from aws, and over to our own hardware.

▲PittleyDunkin 3 months ago | parent [-]

I want to use them because I'm not paying for it and managing your own hardware is a pain in the ass I'd rather avoid when I could just code instead. Which is not to say that using your own hardware isn't smart, but it is definitely miserable.

▲regularfry 3 months ago | parent | next [-]

In my experience you swap managing your own hardware for managing intensely obtuse service configurations, pretty much 1:1. That might be preferable but I see a lot of folks approach it like the tradeoff doesn't exist.

▲xorcist 3 months ago | parent | prev [-]

But you don't "manage your own hardware" if you are renting VMs, which was the question here.

Also managing a cloud infrastructure is a lot more complex than running Debian and Ansible on a VM.

▲PittleyDunkin 3 months ago | parent [-]

Sorry, I think I must have miscommunicated. I was communicating why I was arguing for using the cloud.