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Henry James and H.G. Wells (1958)(bopsecrets.org)
39 points by lermontov 7 hours ago | 24 comments
drcwpl 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Wells was way above James in quality, prolific output and wide ranging genres, from sci-fi to history, fiction and social reform - his life story is worth studying carefully. His work even led towards the atomic bomb and statute of human rights.

Dream boldly and build responsibly - https://onepercentrule.substack.com/p/hg-wells-dream-boldly-...

devindotcom an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know that I would agree he is above James in "quality." Wells was of course great, but he also put out a lot of trash. James may have been the more limited of the two in tone, topic, and social politics, but his work is of a different caliber in terms of prose, complexity, and coherence.

WillAdams 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In particular, his _Outline of History_ is well worth reading for its examination of how the commons (in terms of common pastural areas and so forth shared by a community) were eroded away by the newfangled notion of individual property.

It's on Project Gutenberge, and the Librivox recording may be workable depending on your tolerance for voices and background noise.

Though it's worth noting that the authorship of that text is challenged/potentially problematic --- look up Florence Deeks' copyright challenge.

mjklin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He also wrote a fascinating biology textbook (“The Science of Life”, with two co-authors) and a book about the economy entitled “The Work, Wealth, and Happiness of Mankind”. His nonfiction work deserves as much attention as his fiction, it is excellent.

drcwpl 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I have a copy of the Outline of History, now I will look for the Librivox recording. In his Autobiography he discusses Florence Deeks' copyright challenge. He was rather frustrated by the challenge. Apparently she made several claims against others too.

GeoAtreides an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Wells was way above James in quality

In all of my twelve years on this godforsaken site, i had never had the displeasure of reading something more wrong; it actually transcends being wrong and, as Pauli would put it, it's not even wrong.

serious_angel an hour ago | parent [-]

I may see it, but perhaps a more descriptive opinion of yours backed up with actual shades from your own viewpoint will provide a better trust with your comment. Sure, sometimes words cannot explain a thought, but effort may at least spread a few light rays on it supporting during discoveries. What do you think? Why do you, personally, disagree with someone's else opinion highlighting the whole 12 years of your experience of communication...

nuz 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

I get what you're doing but I don't find this a fair caricature of james' writing style

throw4847285 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's only fair to include James's response to Wells.

'It is art that makes life, makes interest, makes importance, for our consideration and application of those things, and I know of no substitute whatever for the force and beauty of the process.'

I haven't read enough of either author to have an opinion on their relative literary merit, but James is right about that, at the very least.

vundercind 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I bet that appreciating what they’re really talking about would require digging into a broader debate about the best approaches to, and attitude toward the writing of, good literature, which was a decades-long topic among a bunch of major figures in literature in the late 19th and early 20th century.

I mean, there are probably always such debates going on to some degree, but this is a specific one that saw James and some fellows on a side opposed to a bunch of other authors. I only know about it because I happen to have read part of a book of criticism of EM Forster earlier this year, and I gather that debate was kinda the major topic among that set for a long while (Forster was on the opposite side of it from James)

dhosek an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I’ve read a fair amount of both, and I think that James is definitely the superior prose stylist. Wells has an interest in social structures that informs a great deal of his plots (especially (The Time Machine). They’re in many ways incomparable if only because their literary projects have very different aims.

wrp 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> His [Wells'] novels are not social novels at all.

The science fiction novels for which Wells is best known form a small part of his fiction output, and are from early in his career. Most of his ca. 50 novels are "social", propagandistic and dull, and known mostly to literature professors.

As for Wells' non-fiction work, all I can say is don't confuse "opinionated" with "knowledgeable". Wells was a prolific writer but not a careful scholar. He was at one point failed out of college.

technothrasher 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Everybody knows the famous remark by Wells ...

Oh, yes, of course, of course. <slowly slides away and looks for a corner to stand in>

devindotcom an hour ago | parent [-]

In a 1958 collected correspondence between two famous authors, "everyone" has a very specific connotation! "Everyone likely to have picked up this book"

technothrasher 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

I know, it just reminded me that I should know more about Henry James than I do.

unstyledcontent 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

James is a master, there is no doubt. But I'm convinced to now check out Wells who I somehow haven't read anything of!

billfruit 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

'Kipps', is the novel H G Wells, reportedly considered the most favourite amongst his works.

robin_reala 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you just want to dip in then I can heartily recommend Wells’ short stories, of which he wrote a bunch. Standard Ebooks has a nice edition for free: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/h-g-wells/short-fiction

drcwpl 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Super, thank you

devindotcom an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Definitely do Time Machine first, then his other "classics for a reason" the War of the Worlds, the Invisible Man, the Island of Dr Moreau, and IMO the Food of the Gods. His work tends to have a sort of bipartite structure where the second half diverges quite a bit from the first or there is a major thematic shift partway, usually as a consequence of "committing to the bit." Sometimes it seems like he has lost the plot, other times that he has found it. But the books are extremely readable.

pomian 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Absolutely everyone should read "The Time Machine." If you prefer, then an unabridged audiobook is great, I recommend putting in the effort to find a reading by Simon Vance. (It isn't a long book.) The first paragraph of The Time Machine, is one of the best introductory paragraphs ever written (in my opinion, obviously.) One relishes the imagery it reveals, as you read it, like a great main course of a fine meal - with delight, flavour and a promise of more.

drcwpl 3 hours ago | parent [-]

"The first paragraph of The Time Machine, is one of the best introductory paragraphs ever written (in my opinion, obviously.) One relishes the imagery it reveals, as you read it, like a great main course of a fine meal - with delight, flavour and a promise of more."

Beautifully put - I will look for Vance's reading

greentxt 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Interesting. Rexroth to his credit wasn't a terrible poet.

devindotcom an hour ago | parent [-]

And it seems, a snob of some standing himself!