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This might be because of dataset quality, because most of high-quality content is in commercial music and sample libraries.

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squarefoot 2 days ago | parent [-]

This. And the world isn't ready for that, including copyright laws that must be radically changed in a way that doesn't harm innovation. Suno v4 has become a complete disaster for some genres, and that could be due to the lawsuit that is forcing them to retrain the model using non copyrighted works, which in my opinion is pure bollocks. Imagine forcing an artist to unlearn what they listened to in their young years and contributed to forge their personal style. Sorry, but I'm pessimistic. If we don't change how copyright works, pretty much every development in the field will be ruined by greedy copyright holders and their lawyers as soon as it shows any capability to produce decent music that barely resembles something else.

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codedokode 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Should not the author be able to decide if his work may be used for generative AI?

> Imagine forcing an artist to unlearn

Mathematical models cannot learn. What happens in fact is the owner of generative AI takes a bunch of copyrighted works which took a lot of effort and money to produce (instruments, mics and other equipment is super expensive), puts it into computer and sells whatever the computer has calculated from those recording. Do you see any learning or any creativity here?

There were cases when suno (or udio) was reproducing producer tags almost verbatim (but in lower quality) for example. This shows that the model was not simply calculating some probabilities of patterns of pitches, durations etc, but was storing the copyrighted content almost unmodified.

Also, personally I have no interest in a service that generates a song for you because it takes away all the fun. Maybe something that helps to find mistakes in composed music and help learning would be much more useful.

	▲	jojo_ 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Lots of artists can reproduce existing content, should we get rid of them entirely, or just restrict them from publishing such content? If anything, it's the responsibility of the publisher to avoid copyright infringement. > Also, personally I have no interest in a service that generates a song for you because it takes away all the fun. Maybe something that helps to find mistakes in composed music and help learning would be much more useful. You are not forced to use the full raw output, you could use it sparingly in your new composition, the same way you might use ChatGPT to improve your lyrics. All non-musician friends where thrilled to generate music. It's already extremely fun and will keep getting better. I think it lowers the barrier of entry and will increase the total amount of performers, the "real" musicians. I am sure musicians playing instruments back in the days had the same idea about digital music: "Not playing with the physical instruments takes away all the fun. You can't touch, smell, feel it. It has a negative impact on the music and on the people. I am so smart, I am a democrat, you guys are nazis, you want to destroy humanity while I want to restrict the majority of the people from having fun.". > lot of effort and money to produce Mathematical formulas too, and you can't copyright them. If a new device is invented to replay memory "almost verbatim (but in lower quality) for example". Should its use be restricted with regard to copyrighted content? It's your memory, your unique interpretation, shouldn't it belong to you? AI will get better and you'll be able to easily go up the tree from which content was derived (intentionally or not) based on the similarity and the publication date. Artists don't need more protections than mathematicians.
	▲	squarefoot 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> Do you see any learning or any creativity here? Of course not if we take it to the extreme, ie only copyrighted work reproduced almost identical, but I've used the platform with my own music and it reorganized it in a very interesting way, actually inspiring new songs and arrangements which I'll probably play with real instruments. I haven't the slightest interest in replicating top chart garbage; however lawsuits by major labels are ruining also the creative aspect where no copyrighted work is involved. Suno is now quite likely retraining their model only on free music because of the lawsuits, and despite the hype, for some genres last version turned out awful.

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Arainach 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

>Sorry, but I'm pessimistic. If we don't change how copyright works, pretty much every development in the field will be ruined by greedy copyright holders and their lawyers

Sorry, but I'm pessimistic. If we don't change how AI regulation works, pretty much every creative field will be ruined by greedy tech companies and their planet-burning plagiarism devices.