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They went deep down the wrong path and need to justify their mistake. Waymo will be killed off any day now.

UltraSane 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I find opinions like this to be almost as crazy as saying that the earth is flat because Waymo has a working, truly self-driving taxi service RIGHT FREAKING NOW while Musk is still promising to have one some day in the hazy future while NEVER making a single vehicle that can actually drive without someone in the car. Musk rejecting LIDAR means that he fundamentally doesn't understand the technological challenge of self-driving despite have access to the world's experts OR he is cynically using false promises of self-driving to pump up Tesla share price. I know which one I think is true.

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altacc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think anyone who listens to Musk talking about something they themselves know a lot about quickly realises that Musk's skills are elsewhere. He can motivate and market the hell out of a business whilst snorting more ketamine than a herd of horses but he is not a technical genius by any means. He pays people well to agree with him and fires them when they don't, so I suspect that his companies that produce better and more stable products do so because he micromanages them less.

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jaimex2 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It doesn't. It has a party trick that works in very specific conditions.

	▲	KeplerBoy a minute ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Do you expect a car with fewer sensors to fare any better soon?
	▲	olabyne an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		At least it works. Meanwhile Tesla have nothing to show, even in "very specific conditions".

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JaggedJax 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From person experience, the state of the art Tesla vision FSD still can't drive east at sunrise, west at sunset, or in moderate rain. I haven't seen any sign of them solving that fundamental problem with vision, especially given there are existing non-vision solutions.

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bobsomers 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a bold claim. Care to justify it?

	▲	jaimex2 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, it only works in extremely controlled environments driving really slowly. The design is also flawed as it has to work with cameras anyway. The last thing you want is two systems arguing over what they see.

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ra7 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Google killing off Waymo by giving them $5.6B just a few weeks ago!

	▲	UltraSane 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		What do they actually use that much money for?