| ▲ | vinkelhake 11 hours ago | |||||||
> Honestly, I am extremely glad that Google is finally leaving the ecosystem, as I generally do not enjoy it when Google engineers try to force their ridiculous use cases down peoples' throats, as they seem to believe they simply know better than everyone else how to develop software. Well, you may be celebrating a bit prematurely then. Google still has a ton of C++ and they haven't stopped writing it. It's going to take ~forever until Google has left the C++ ecosystem. What did happen was that Google majorly scaled down their efforts in the committee. When it comes to the current schism on how to improve the safety of C++ there are largely two factions: * The Bjarne/Herb [1] side that focuses on minimal changes to the code. The idea here is to add different profiles to the language and then [draw the rest of the fucking owl]. The big issue here is that it's entirely unclear on how they will achieve temporal and spatial memory safety. * The other side is represented by Sean Baxter and his work on Safe C++. This is basically a whole-sale adoption of Rust's semantics. The big issue here is that it's effectively introducing a new language that isn't C++. Google decided to pursue Carbon and isn't a major playing in either of the above efforts. Last time I checked, that language is not not meant to be memory safe. [1] https://github.com/BjarneStroustrup/profiles [2] https://safecpp.org/draft.html | ||||||||
| ▲ | pjmlp an hour ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||
People like to always talk about Carbon like that, yet the team is the first to point out anyone that can use something else, should. Carbon is an experiment, that they aren't sure how it is going to work out in first place. > "If you can use Rust, ignore Carbon" https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/e09bf82d... > "We want to better understand whether we can build a language that meets our successor language criteria, and whether the resulting language can gather a critical mass of interest within the larger C++ industry and communit" https://github.com/carbon-language/carbon-lang/blob/e09bf82d... | ||||||||
| ▲ | IAmLiterallyAB 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||
> Herb side that proposes minimal changes Herb is developing a whole second syntax, I wouldn't call that minimal changes. And probably the only way to evolve the language at this point, because like you said Sean is introducing a different language entirely, so its not C++ at that point. I really like some of Herb's ideas,but it seems less and less likely they'll ever be added to C++ | ||||||||
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