▲ | TacticalCoder 14 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||
> And now look what a mess resulted from that: a world war has already quietly started in Europe... I'd rephrase it as "Europe has already quietly started a (world) war". The EU started to try to incorporate Ukraine. It's highly unlikely Putin would have attacked had there not been preparative talks for Ukraine to join the EU. And it's no coincidence that there are now heavyweights on the worldstage now saying: "The only solution to this conflict is an independent Ukraine". By that they don't mean "Ukraine not annexed by Russia". They mean "Ukraine not annexed by the EU". The EU wans to annex Ukraine and a war was started because of that. | |||||||||||||||||
▲ | aguaviva 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||
I'd rephrase it as "Europe has already quietly started a (world) war". Apparently you would, even though there's absolutely no reason to believe the line of causality ("Europe did X, which started the war") that you're implying. Starting a war from scratch like this (as Putin did) requires agency, and it's very obvious what the source of agency was in this case. "Ukraine not annexed by the EU". That's just hyperbole and nonsense. It was never being "annexed" by anyone (until Russia started invading in 2014). | |||||||||||||||||
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▲ | ImPostingOnHN 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||
> It's highly unlikely Putin would have attacked [, raped, tortured, and genocided Ukrainians] had there not been preparative talks for Ukraine to join the EU It's even less likely that putin would have done all that if he weren't alive, or had he simply minded his own business, yet I don't see you advocating for either of those paths to resolution. Instead, you advocate for an independent country of tens of millions of people to lose their independence, to lose their agency, to lose their sovereignty, to lose their identity, to lose their lives, simply because russia wants them to. Curious. |