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▲ _dark_matter_ 2 hours ago

Hardly a surprise - the trump administration corruption is well documented. This period is a black eye on every American, and is the opposite of laissez-faire capitalism. Instead of the best succeeding, those who can pander and make connections win (or in this case, be literally family members with a powerful person).

I hope we can move past this with the next admin, and continue to give the upper hand to businesses that want to succeed fairly in the USA.

▲thrance 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That's laissez-faire capitalism. It always devolves into an oligarchy, as that's the only logical endpoint of runaway capital. Free markets create the material conditions that lead to them becoming captured and unfree.

▲cmrdporcupine 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This is exactly the answer, and it's why so-called "libertarianism" is not just naive but destructive (and end-result authoritarian) as an ideology: it has a fundamental misunderstanding of what the "free market" actually is behind the scenes, imagining it as some sort of neutral/neutralizing / democratic mysterious force that prevents accumulation of power and being in opposition to "the State" when it is the opposite. "Free market" systems create the State and then dominate it and the interests involved create power systems for their own accumulation of dominance. And the end result is oligarchy.

The counterveiling force has to be an organized working class that uses unions, political parties, and democratic force to take back at least some control of the state and market and force its use for social means. And this is a constant battle. If we start to lose, which has happened progressively since the 70s, Trumpist oligarchy is the result. Or worse.

▲a4isms 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You lecture us like we didn't grow up playing Monopoly and observing that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer until only one landowner is left and everyone owes them rent.

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▲swed420 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Right, because late stage capitalism was working so flawlessly prior to Trump.

https://archive.is/wSmtd

▲Jcampuzano2 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

You're right, its exponentially worse.

That make you happy?

▲swed420 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

So you want to return to the conditions that led to an exponentially worse situation?

That's precisely what a party of controlled opposition would do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniparty

▲Jcampuzano2 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

To answer the question, no. I don't think the establishment democrats should be running the country either. They're just the MUCH better of two evils though. I'd prefer new age politicians to be the leaders.

But, do you honestly think Trumps administration didn't materially contribute to making those conditions worse themselves? They basically made the hole so deep it will make it difficult to crawl out of in the first place.

▲swed420 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

> But, do you honestly think Trumps administration didn't materially contribute to making those conditions worse themselves? They basically made the hole so deep it will make it difficult to crawl out of in the first place.

I agree it made conditions worse. I never denied that.

But I'm also looking at the entire chain of events which led to it. "Lesser of two evils" "voting" literally got us to this point. How could it possibly get us out of it?

"Voting" in scare quotes because as the uniparty link explains, in addition to Dems proving they can't run fair primaries etc, democracy is illusory when corrupted by capital interests.

Ignoring the violent revolution option for obvious reasons, the logical thing to do would be to carefully design and build a new party from the ground up so that it can't succumb to the same levels of corruption that Dems and Repubs have, to disrupt the good cop / bad cop hypnosis that everyone is trapped in.

▲nozzlegear 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

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▲selectodude 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Well the people that do vote will continue to dictate everything and you can keep posting about it.

▲swed420 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'll vote for whoever isn't an enabler.