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▲ childintime 3 hours ago

How many years until the next milestones?

- in orbit refueling

- moon landing

- Mars rendez-vous

- Mars landing

- humans on Mars

Nah, the game is to put data centers in space. Plus the Space Force dreams.

▲jillesvangurp 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Couple of milestones before that:

- flying reused booster + Starship

- longer in orbit missions for Starship of weeks or months. There are some non trivial issues with that probably; and you'd need that to not make refueling pointless.

- having two active launch sites. Nor strictly required but probably handy if you are going to have two Starships in orbit at the same time.

They might not get to all that in that order. But the important step today is that they get to inspect a "flight proven" Starship without water damage. I bet they are going to learn a lot of details of where exactly they need to iterate and improve. This took them some time with Falcon 9 as well. We've gotten used to this thing basically launching and landing without many issues. But that wasn't always the case. 2027 is probably going to see an increase launch rate.

Moon landings are going to be an interesting one because it depends on NASA as well and the decision making around that is very political. On the other hand, there's going to be increasing peer pressure from the Chinese. They have their own plans and it doesn't involve waiting for NASA to get there first. They are targeting 2030 for a manned mission. I expect the politics might get a bit more opinionated on that topic as that gets closer. The long term game here is not just landing and planting another flag but actually establishing a permanent presence on the moon. That involves flying useful payloads back and forth. Starship seems designed for that.

What happens after that is going to be an interesting one. IMHO, Starship is optimal for earth landings but not necessarily for the moon and Mars. What's currently flying is probably over engineered for a place with no atmosphere and one 6th of the gravity (the moon) or a very thin atmosphere and one third of the gravity (Mars). Would those flaps even work in the Mars atmosphere? However, it's a great launch vehicle to get components in space to build something more optimal. Also the booster might be used to launch other things than Starship. Like something that will never come down and can instead be fueled for deep space missions and Mars/Moon landings.

▲m4rtink 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

They did refly one of the boosters already.

▲mlh496 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's important to be able to set aside cynicism, even if for a single hour, to enjoy technological achievements like this.

▲Noaidi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I am not a cynic, but a realist. It is easy to do things when you put a ton of money towards the effort so I find this nothing special. Maybe when I was a child these things would fascinate me, but they are just engineering.

So, what would amaze me? Ending homelessness in the United States. Because that takes more than money. I would like to swap the "passion" or engineering for the "compassion" of ending suffering. Very easy to shape and change material things, very hard to change the heart.

The people you want to share your excitement might be suffering under the same separation of wealth that made this landing possible. (Yet there is little talk that they failed to catch the booster and it exploded).

▲chinabot 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Me and four other engineering graduates just sat and watched this around a big TV in my mates apartment in Sydney, and what we saw was an amazing team, delivering amazing engineering results. Just take a win for humanity for once.

▲variant an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Homelessness is largely driven by personal choice and by our desire to not compel the "unhoused" into mental institutions where they'd probably be better served.

There are ample government and private support mechanisms, including housing and food, but most choose not to take advantage.

▲CrimsonRain 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Ending homelessness in the United States

You don't need private people/companies or more taxes for that. US has enough resources to do it already. Maybe you should go ask your politicians, better yet, ask your friends/neighbors/yourself if you are ready to take the drastic steps necessary to solve that.

▲Noaidi 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Well to start off, I am homeless, so I can’t really ask myself for help with that.

But imagine engineering hearts so that we did not have to ask?

▲CrimsonRain an hour ago | parent [-]

Of course, you should not need to ask, in a better world.

If govt really cared about it, more than that, if (most) PEOPLE really cared about it, it should be top 3 priority of any govt in any country.

- Govt should build massive cheap hotel-type housing spaces (full free) equipped with bare minimum necessities like roof, heating, food, basic healthcare (not million $ free cancer treatment).

- Mandatory drug rehabilitation (if applicable)

- Mandatory job search/placement/training

- Jail with forced-labor for people who put no effort and/or causes disturbance

If your govt has $6M to fund tourism in Egypt, money to fund opera/ in columbia, comic book in peru, then they have money to help homeless people IN the country. No money should go to non-citizens (let alone non-citizens in another country) while citizens of a country go homeless.

I am typing this from the security of my home, without worrying about 0c temp, or food. So it is easy for me to say this but still, I am sorry that you are going through this, and I sincerely wish you the best; that your life turns around, even if just a little, enough to have a roof over your head.

▲Lambdanaut 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thank you for for making this comment. It helped me realize in myself what's changed over the last few years.

I grew up reading Zubrin's The Case for Mars, The Martian, and October Sky. I went to space camp at NASA, and as a 14 year old I sent an angry email to NASA when I learned of the early ISS decommission date(they later extended the lifespan several times, and I like to think I was the reason ;) ).

I followed Bigelow Aerospace in the 2000s doing the only interesting commercial work in space, and afterwards became amongst the first online SpaceX fanboys, long before they ever landed a merlin engine.

I studied hard in school with a passion of going to Embry-Riddle to learn to build rockets - though I ultimately chose a software path in life instead, I stayed an enormous space fanboy over the 2010s, frequenting the SpaceX subreddit and catching every launch and landing stream I could live.

I've cried watching so many rocket landings. The spirit of human endeavor is god damn BEAUTIFUL to me.

I want to point my finger and say that everything else changed. The Internet became what it is. Elon Musk showed his true colors. Software Engineering became middle management.

But the truth is that I've changed.

I care about the people wealth disparity hurts more than I do about us getting our perfect vision of the future now now NOW.

The faster we pump this machine, the louder the Earth is SCREAMING.

The world is on fire, and we're covering it in data centers with the goal of building artificial machines for strip-mining humanity of the very competency in engineering that has given us so much joy.

We're caught up in a race to the bottom and without diverting our path I have to wonder if this starship landing will be one of the last great human-driven engineering achievements before we lose the ability to do so ourselves.

I don't think the answer is to swap the passion for engineering with compassion, as I think they can both live happily together, but I hear where that desire is coming from.

It's coming from a place of love.

And when the last tree has fallen, we may find that we cannot eat money.

May love fill this place.

▲Ginger-Pickles an hour ago | parent [-]

Thank you for having the courage to post this

▲globalnode 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ofc a comment like that would get downvoted by investors and technologists, but yes i agree, if you have enough imagination and money, almost anything in engineering is eventually possible. that same imagination and money is rarely spent on making the experience of living beings who are suffering nicer. but we dont live in a 1D world and all people need a win, engineering nerds included.

▲TeMPOraL 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Space is unique in consistently attracting comments like GP's. Literally no other endeavor, no matter how boring or silly, attracts these. Has been so since before the Internet, even.

Even pointing out that this is just private company doing private stuff - so no government money to accuse of being misallocated, which was the only thing that gave those evergreen comments some legitimacy - won't help. I guess it's just inertia now.

At least this is talking about homelessness and not feeding people; the latter was getting too easy to push back on by pointing out just how much space contributed to farming and food security.

▲peterfirefly 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Semaglutide will likely help on the homelessness front, both directly and by helping us understand deep drives better in general.

Musk's Neuralink is ironically likely to help on the psychiatric disorder side.

Just Send More Money™ is not likely to help (as you recognize). Neither is "compassion".

▲bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent [-]

And a $25,000 EV will alleviate the auto crisis in Americ- wait a minute...!

▲runarberg 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is important to recognize what technology will be used for and demand it won‘t be used for evil.

▲snvzz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The implied claim being "datacenters are evil"?!

▲rbanffy 2 hours ago | parent [-]

s/evil/a scam/

▲rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That ship has sailed since the V2 rocket.

▲peterfirefly 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Since the rock and the stick.

▲hagbard_c 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That ship has sailed since the first rockets were used to launch bombs and incendiaries somewhere in China, a long time ago. Hammers can be used to build and to kill. Knives cut wood as well as flesh. Humans are belligerent primates whether we want it or not, changing that isn't something even all humanities faculties in the world can manage nor any ideologue intent on creating the New Soviet Man or Übermensch or transhumanist. Fortunately there tend to be more people intent on doing 'good' things with technology than 'bad', where 'good' can also include defending against those doing 'bad' things even though that is a thin line to walk.

▲wat10000 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is it? I mean, I’m loving this historic event but if someone wants to remember the stupid parts, what’s wrong with that?

▲artemonster 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲trothamel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In orbit refueling is likely next year. The goal is to have two shots at a moon landing in 2028.

And a nuclear ion rocket scheduled for 2028 as well.

The current NASA administrator is doing a good job getting rid of all the things keeping NASA from doing things. (And at least after Artemis II, both parties in congress seemed to be on his side.)

▲dylan604 2 hours ago | parent [-]

What was the issue that delayed Issacman's nomination/confirmation? Why was his nomination withdrawn and then renominated?

▲trothamel an hour ago | parent [-]

I believe it was Trump and Elon Musk falling out over the "Big Beautiful Bill". A lot of people then campaigned for to get the job anyway, and he did.

After Artemis II, there was a moderately hilarious congressional hearing in which the Republicans insisted on giving NASA more money, the Democrats insisted on giving even more money than that, and Isaacman trying to say "we're good".

(I believe NASA got the more money.)

▲loehnsberg 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Launches, Starlink, military provide cash. SpaceX needs to be profitable at least to some extent.

▲runarberg 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All I want are bigger and more cleverly located space telescopes, a couple of more probes and orbiters around other planets and asteroids, and I want those Mars samples that Percy has been pooping over the Mars surface returned to Earth and studied in a lab. And maybe a probe to Alpha Centauri or exo-planet viewers that use the Sun’s gravitational lensing in the next 5 or 6 decades.

▲consensus1 2 hours ago | parent [-]

We will need nuclear propulsion for a lot of that, but the good news is that it has already been built and demonstrated back in the 70s.

edit: Rate limited so adding link to interview the reply mentions here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujfF_SnxvZQ

▲peterfirefly 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And NASA is working on it again! Isaacman talked about it in a recent interview with Everyday Astronaut.

▲runarberg 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the concept for the Alpha Centauri probes uses solar sails and externally fired lasers[1]. The exo-planet viewer concept also proposes solar sails.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2069_Alpha_Centauri_mission

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_gravitational_lens

▲drivebyhooting 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Those exploration dreams can only exist via the bankrolling of government contracts and riding bubbles.

Google is only able to fund Waymo, Quantum Computing, etc because of their questionably moral ads cash cow.

▲consensus1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know how long it will take, but I'll be here watching you seethe as they hit each one and you post another list.

▲Rover222 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

yes exactly

▲jiggawatts 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

“Full flow engines can’t be made!”

“Okay, they can, but the engines are too complex and expensive!”

“Okay, they can be made much simpler and cheaper, but they’re not powerful enough!”

“Okay, they’re powerful enough but the heat shield won’t work!”

“Okay, it works, but catching a rocket is impractical!”

“Okay, catching a rocket is practical, but…” <—- we are here.

▲consensus1 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Coming up next:

"They'll never be able to re-use the ship"

"They can re-use it, but it's not economical".

▲CrimsonRain 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"They can re-use it economically but can't be fast enough"

"They can re-use it economically and fast back to back...but look at the amount of environmental damage!"

"They can't generate enough power to fix the damage"

"They generated enough power to undo environmental damages but ruined the sky"

...

▲shoobiedoo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What actually is the point of all this? I'm not trying to be a snarky contrarian, I've never had any interest whatsoever in space, star trek, "what's out there?", so I genuinely don't get it.

I'm not trashing people's interests, obviously I am the odd man out in not giving a damn, I just don't see what we're trying to achieve when there are so many issues we can't even figure out on earth.

▲arjie 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> damn, I just don't see what we're trying to achieve when there are so many issues we can't even figure out on earth

Earth issues are mostly coordination problems. Space issues are technological problems. Elon Musk has been very successful at solving technological problems: electric vehicles, space flight, mind-machine interfaces.

It makes sense that people like him who can solve technological problems point their attention and substantial agency to the things that their unique skills place them in a position to solve.

The Elon Musk of coordination does not currently exist. One must imagine that the kind of person or school of people who instituted NATO and the US-Japan MDA and turned our one-time enemies into our staunchest allies were people of such caliber but there’s no one I know today who qualifies for that.

Musk definitely has mastered firm-level coordination but clearly national coordination (let alone international coordination) is a problem beyond even him. His teams nearly religiously point the same way, and they have achieved wonders. It is truly remarkable what these people have done. Good for them, and I’m glad to see them at it!

▲shoobiedoo an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Thank you for the well thought out reply. I will try to do better to understand the larger technological breakthroughs of space flight as a key development in how things modernize on earth itself

▲origini 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Elon Musk is not the person building any of it. Not EVs, Space Flight or mind-machine interfaces.

He is reckless and ignorant and yes it works for some of his stuff and it doesn't work for others.

His ignorance alone in DOGE probably killed children and humans. Don't get me wrong, US of America doesn't has to pay for aid around the planet even if they contribute massivly to climate change and consumes a lot of resources importet around the planet, but his abrupt cancelation and involvment in USAID killed chilrden and humans.

Do we also ignore everything else if you list up things which are only positive? Like Boring company? Solar city? Buying Twitter and manipulating democracy around the planet? Doing an Ad tour in front of the White House and disrespecting anyone else who can't buy themselves next to Trump?

▲DivingForGold 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Perhaps you don't have any clue that earth and it's inhabitants are very, very likely to be the only one, - - or, of the very few planets in our known universe, with such a sequence of events over millions if not billions of years that allow us to be living beings, evolving - - while out in space is a vacuum, intense radiation, no oxygen, no food or water for many hundreds if not thousands of light years distance away. Incredibly few of our species grasps this fact and actually appreciates it ...

▲hparadiz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

These people are completely useless. They would never come out of the cave or the forest. They'd sit in the village they were born in forever never knowing what is beyond the horizon. Never tasting the fruits of the universe forever content with only what they can see only to be wiped out by a random virus or errant rock from the sky. I am so so thankful for the engineers, scientists, and literally every junior dev at SpaceX right now.

▲oceanplexian 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you don’t get it, nothing anyone says is going to convince you otherwise.

The people who “had an interest” in pursuing the unknown built the entire modern world that you exist in, since so many things have some connection back to the space program, including ironically the very device you’re using to express your opinion. So it’s probably worth paying them a little respect.

▲shoobiedoo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> since so many things have some connection back to the space program, including ironically the very device you’re using to express your opinion.

Well there you go. I did not know that. And yet, instead of saying, "The space program is useful because of X and Y, it's pretty cool actually, I recommend book Z about it.", I get replies that I am a lost cause who doesn't respect scientists.

Unreal. I could have a more balanced conversation with a Muslim imam about religious beliefs.

▲origini 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So we did the moon landing btw.

Shouldn't you be able to articulate a proper answer without any issues?

Is it an engineering feat? Yes.

But i would bet James Webb Telescope and Moon landing were a lot bigger?!

▲hparadiz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

A single one of these Starship's payloads can deliver a telescope approximately 20-25x larger than the James Webb Telescope.

▲origini 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Okaaayyy? We still were able to send James Webb up without a Starship?

Soooo?!

Its cheaper okay, we can send up bigger things good but the comment stated

"So it’s probably worth paying them a little respect."

It sounds like i get down to my knee for Space-X and i still don't get it

▲dingaling 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

With Starship, it will cost about $70-90 to put 1kg of payload into orbit.

That will open vast new opportunities for space-based researh and services.

For example a university that has to pay at least $50k to launch a research cubesat today will be able to do it for about $2k.

▲hparadiz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is the most powerful rocket ever constructed. It has the largest possible payload. The James Webb is tiny compared to what is possible. No other rocket can do that. End of. Please stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

▲origini 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah I see a fanboy.

Okay I get it, discussion useless.

Just to be clear: James Webb was build and designed with nanometer aligned optical system, has to be cooled down while being at L2, can't be serviced and repaired and it was only enough money there to build it once and took 5 years of building and 25 years of planning.

A rocket is an engineering joke inc omparision.

▲CrimsonRain 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That's why a car salesman could build it with fraction of cost while nasa sucking on thumb and spending 100x more money to launch anything. Cool

▲origini 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It is an achievement, i'm not disagreeing with it.

I'm disagreeing with the level of it.

I'm also disappointed that we celebrate this and ignore that the richest man on the planet is also involved in reducing usability of starlink in a real war were real humans are dying. And his involvment in USAID, DOGE and co.

▲CrimsonRain an hour ago | parent [-]

Starshield is govt controlled.

Starlink is not allowed for offensive usage.

So take your complaint to govt. Also, nobody is stopping you from using starlink-alternatives.com . In fact, since you hate him, that's what you should do.

▲origini an hour ago | parent [-]

Ukraine is defending itself and just before Trump, US of America put a lot of pressure on my country germany and the europeian union to stop doing business with Russia.

Now Elon Musk, the richecst person on the planet and part of US of America is interfering with his system, which gives him A LOT more power than a single human and non gov should have in a WAR which is not his probably due to some indirect garbage between him and the current US of America Gov.

While the EU is paying for it.

And i do not use anything Musk.

Musk has only direct negative impact on my life, no posive one. He used his money to buy twitter because he couldn't shut up and then leveraged it to manipulate and allow manipulation in our elections in germany (search for Elon Musk and AfD).

He is potentially poisening our atmosphwere with his rocket launches.

And in general, I do care about fellow human beings and i'm pissed in their names for all the people he is responsible for being killed (after all he is also responsible apparently for all the invention of the companies he invested in eh?).

▲CrimsonRain an hour ago | parent [-]

Why does EU rely on a system built by a private person?

Where is EU's innovation? Oh wait, we are busy with bottle caps, stays together like family lmao https://x.com/moritzkremb/status/2107021822155985254

Where is Germany's nuclear power plants?

Where is Germany's industry? Why is Germany axing its own legs and then crying about it? Why did Germany laugh when Trump complained about over reliance on Russian gas? Why is Germany predicted to not have enough gas this January? Why is Germany fucking up the middle class with more and more taxes? All that tax, yet almost nothing to show for. Keine geld!! Economy going to shit. People taking sick days like candy. More people dying to heat than gun violence in USA. Hours of notary to open a company. Effing europoors and you come to complain...

PS: Statistically, when I walk on the streets, every 4 German I meet, there's one nazi (as per your definition I would strongly assume). Look inside first.

▲lostlogin 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Why did Germany laugh when Trump complained about over reliance on Russian gas?

Any idea that Trump is a perceptive genius with regard to energy security should have been throughly dispelled with the Iran fiasco that rolls on.

▲origini 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

If a private person from another country is the only one controlling space, it becomes a geo politicial and military issue.

So either we should advocate for destroying it, or we are allowed to leverage.

And for all the other things you ar ementioning: Non of them have anything to do to what i said. Its just strawman left and right.

Are you also joking about the Gas and winter? Because Donald Trump, the President of the US of America used his power to start a war with Iran.

More people in USA die from gun and heat than germans die from gun and heat.

And just because there are nazis around the world, i'm not and this is part of my argumentation. If you are a nazi and it doesnt matter to you, of course you don't understand it.

You argue with your Salesman, but don't care of anything negative about Elon Musk? As long as he catches a Rocket eh? Get a spine?

▲jddkj 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well considering we gave SpaceX a contract to get us to the moon and for that to happen it needs to do something ridiculous like 20+ in orbit refueling yeah it's a pretty important thing to criticize.

▲philipwhiuk 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's the point of heating sand - we barely have enough food to feed our pre-industrial society.

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▲Rover222 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's your reaction to watching this? Pretty sad.

▲bluecalm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean, you need to get money from somewhere to fund your dreams. If it's datacenters in space then let be it. They are pretty cool as well. It seems a lot of people don't like them on Earth.

▲ReptileMan 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>They are pretty cool as well.

That remains to be determined. The math with blackbody radiation cooling borderline works. So they may be cool, but whether it is enough ...

But I don't think we will see success before the craziness down here has settled down and they don't face the political headwinds they currently do. And I don't think that they can compete with ground based per unit cost no matter what kind of black magic they do.