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▲ talkingtab 4 hours ago

The issues around privacy are inherent in an internet that is paid for by targeted advertising. If there is privacy there is no way to pay the small amounts for email for example.

If we want privacy, we need an alternative business model.

▲Silhouette 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The Internet was in many ways a better place before data capitalism came along so the likes of Google and Facebook could monetise.

We had email and it worked just fine. You got an account via your ISP or paid a small amount for a separate service and perhaps a custom domain that you controlled yourself. Centralising this with the likes of Google is not progress.

We had more content than anyone could ever consume in a lifetime on the Web even back then. It was mostly created by people interested in sharing for personal satisfaction and perhaps the enjoyment of a good discussion that followed or by organisations that benefitted from sharing that information freely. It wasn't done with a direct profit motive based on metrics like page views. We didn't have endless AI spam designed to host endless auctioned ad spots diluting the good stuff.

So here's my proposed privacy-friendly alternative business model: You don't get to harvest personal data for reasons unrelated to whatever products or services you're providing to willing consumers and if you do then we throw you in jail. I'm pretty sure the Internet would find a way to continue providing the functionality that is actually useful. I'm pretty sure the signal/noise ratio online would be much better too.

▲analog31 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Possession of the data has to be illegal, enforced through statutory civil damages.

▲Silhouette 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

Civil damages can become merely a "cost of doing business".

Jail time for the responsible executives makes it personal for the decision makers. Obviously there still needs to be due process. It would be sensible to have stages where there are clear warnings given by the relevant regulators with indications of the specific remediation actions required and then a reasonable amount of time to actually implement that remediation before anyone is getting carted off in handcuffs for non-compliance.

I am not generally in favour of piercing the corporate veil but in cases of flagrant and deliberate disregard for the law I think there is a point where it becomes justified and perhaps even necessary.