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| ▲ | snowpid 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Its very annoying that some very loud people can not handle the fact that people different have needs. I like to use GNOME. Its fitting me better and dont insult of KDE developers because some people prefer it. The UI systems just have different assumptions and this is just fine. | | |
| ▲ | arzig 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I will take the counter point. I think gnomes stance on minimal configuration and a proscribed workflow is commendable. I’m a dev, I see everyday that customization imposes costs. What I see with gnomes though is that shedding the customization doesn’t actually make for a more solid project. The fact Wayland fractional scale took as long as it did to stabilize despite mostly working tells me gnome didn’t care about the real hardware that makes up the bulk of what exists in the world. Similarly, it seems like plasma has a massive technical edge just in handling things like pipewire capture, etc. I find KDE is typically smoother and the gnome overview animation almost always stutters regardless of the computer I use it on from discrete gpu desktops down to mobile things. So I can say that it seems from my experience the gnome project has naval gazed and built a model of the computing landscape they target that is divorced from reality. I think your defense gets at the difference between a power user and a ricer. They are orthogonal. Gnome rejects ricing. There is one way. That’s fine. I configure stock KDE by changing 2 settings, 1 of which exists in gnome. But I do need to actually do things with my computers which is why the androidification dig hits. What I will praise unreservedly is the gnome circle apps and broader which are typically polished focused and attractive. So to me gnome fails at a desktop but has managed to foster a culture around themselves that leads to solid app development. | |
| ▲ | moffkalast 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is some irony in this statement given that GNOME is built on not letting people chose anything and also happens to be the default on Ubuntu, so it's literally force fed down new adopter's throats. It just rubs me the wrong way ideologically so I have to flame them whenever I get the chance. |
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| ▲ | 2III7 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I've been using gnome for the past 10 years. Every time I try to use KDE it feels like a wannabe Windows DE, in it's default configuration anyway. | | |
| ▲ | adrian_b 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The ancient Windows desktops were quite good so if something tried to emulate them that would be a reasonable goal. I have no idea how modern KDE is, because I abandoned KDE due to the KDE 4 disaster. Nonetheless, KDE 3.5 was much better than Windows XP, even if its default configuration was somewhat similar. Actually I consider KDE 3.5 the best desktop environment that I have ever seen, much better not only than the contemporaneous Windows XP, but also than the contemporaneous Mac OS X. The reason was that KDE 3.5 had an extreme customizability, so everyone could reconfigure it according to their tastes, so it no longer resembled any other desktop environment. Unfortunately, almost everything that I liked in KDE 3.5 was removed in KDE 4 and replaced with rigid choices that I disliked. After KDE 4, I never had the courage to try KDE again (I fled to the refuge of XFCE), but I hope that it has recovered and now it is at least at the level of its past glory, if not better. | | |
| ▲ | bityard 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | KDE finally got back to its 3.x level of quality a few years back, towards the middle of the 5.x releases. They are now on 6.x. I highly recommend giving it another try, I'm super picky and modern KDE simply delivers the best and most flexible desktop experience, bar none. | |
| ▲ | pimeys 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yep. I used KDE from the early betas until KDE 4 and escaped at that point to the i3/sway world. KDE 6 is really good tho. It's so fast, works great, Dolphin is the absolute best file manager there is... | |
| ▲ | blooalien 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > ... because I abandoned KDE due to the KDE 4 disaster. I totally hated that whole mess. It almost ruined KDE for me. The real disaster there wasn't that KDE released v4 prematurely, but that they didn't make it crystal clear to the distro maintainers (and end-users) that it was not ready for "prime time" use yet (it was basically "pre-release"/alpha quality), and the major distros of the time jumped on making it the default (forced it on everyone) when it was still basically utterly broken compared to the prior versions of KDE (which had become overall quite solid and reliable by that point). | | |
| ▲ | toyg 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's all post-hoc rationalisation. They got caught in their own hype and released low-quality code. They fucked up, that's all, and it's a bit embarrassing that they won't admit it. | | |
| ▲ | pimeys 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | But also they built on it, and KDE 6 benefits from all that work and is an exceptional desktop. |
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| ▲ | moffkalast 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah KDE mimics Windows, Cinnamon mimics MacOS, and GNOME mimics Android. That's sort of the intention, so you can keep your workflow. | | |
| ▲ | tredre3 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Cinnamon definitely mimics classic Windows... That's essentially its entire point. GNOME is the mishmash of macos and, like you said, mobile design. | | |
| ▲ | moffkalast 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hmm I swear I saw the exact same MacOS minimize/maximize/close buttons and on the left in Cinnamon at one point, but now that I'm looking up the latest screenshots it seems to be the usual. Maybe it was some specific distro only? | | |
| ▲ | ThePinion 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Ubuntu had the window controls on the left side from like 2010-2017 to go along with their Unity desktop. From what I recall, this has always been an option with Cinnamon but they default it to the right side. |
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| ▲ | pimeys 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And Windows mimics KDE. It's a loop. |
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