| ▲ | Animats 6 hours ago |
| Info on this is amazingly sparse. Apparently Sec. Duffy posted something on X/Twitter, and that's all the news media have. Looking at LAX departures, it looks like nothing has departed since about 10:30 AM PST, and everything later is showing Delayed or Cancelled. There are times after Delayed, but it's not clear those times mean anything. Some are now in the past. "flysfo.com" is too overloaded to display departures. Stuck at "loading...". JFK departure status shows almost solid "Delayed". No good explanations anywhere. |
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| ▲ | moondev 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Update, 3:00 P.M.: Pacific bound flights are cleared to depart, including Hawaii and Asia. |
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| ▲ | peterleiser 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Makes sense. CNN reported that international airlines were still departing for North Atlantic flights, apparently because they use a separate communications system. | | |
| ▲ | lxgr 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, oceanic flights largely use satellite-based CPDLC today, or HF voice as a fallback, but not VHF in any case (which I suspect is the implicated system here). | | |
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| ▲ | bombcar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They’re under socal departure (or equivalent) until handed off to - well, nothing. So no need for intercommunications. | |
| ▲ | ctrlkctrls 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I saw one! | |
| ▲ | Jagerbizzle 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Source? | | |
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| ▲ | United857 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| All European and Mexican departures to the US have been stopped: https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2121381457683964308 |
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| ▲ | Maxion 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Surprised there's not been any updates yet. Not even one of this will continue or it is being resolved. |
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| ▲ | awefkjawelfkja0 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sec of Homeland Security gave an interview about 10 minutes ago saying it's indefinite, they don't know the cause, and to expect resolution to take a while. | | |
| ▲ | AnneTrotter 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Oh wow. That's not really good, is it. Economy taking a lot of crazy hits this week. They're footgun hits too, not even enemy action. Edit: ok so one of them was maybe a little bit enemy action. | | |
| ▲ | tempestn 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'd say that's not really known yet, although there's certainly a footgun element at least. | | | |
| ▲ | m_fayer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There’s only so long the American wall of competence can be chipped at by stupid, before bigger chunks start dropping. Watch out below. | |
| ▲ | shawn_w 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Foot is not the correct bit of anatomy in Nvidia's case. |
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| ▲ | NooneAtAll5 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | is it a bad news that Homeland Security doesn't know the cause or is it a good news that they aren't the origin for it? | | |
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| ▲ | neves 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When will we congratulate all the AI companies for this? Probably someone prompted an agent: solve global CO2 emissions :-) |
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| ▲ | freediddy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| SFO had delays this morning because of winds. I'm not sure if LA also had bad weather, but SFO had a lot of rain and if you know SFO, you'll encounter a delay if someone sneezes in the direction of the runways. |
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| ▲ | fizx 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I actually got out surprisingly on time at 10:30am. The other airport at landing was chaos though. |
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| ▲ | reaperducer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Info on this is amazingly sparse. Apparently Sec. Duffy posted something on X/Twitter, and that's all the news media have Maybe look further than Twitter. The legitimate media from the New York Times to CNN and beyond all showed video of Markwayne Mullin's news conference 20 minutes before your post. |
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| ▲ | randysalami 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | llama052 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'd be quicker to assume that the problem is within. AI related or not. | |
| ▲ | Jamesbeam 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You need to go outside, take a walk and then have a hot chocolate. All is well, this is not the AIpocalypse. Just some dude fucking up something stupid, as usual. Update before I can no longer edit: > The Federal Aviation Administration told airlines the nationwide outages that prompted the ground stop were the result of a problem with network routers, according to an airline source. > The problem is believed to have started at Chicago Midway International Airport and cascaded nationwide. > A spokeswoman for the military’s Northern Command and the North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD, said there was no evidence yet that the telecommunication outage was the result of any nefarious action by domestic or foreign actors. | | |
| ▲ | daishi55 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What possible basis could you have for saying this? | | |
| ▲ | Jamesbeam 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | A decade of experience solving nationwide problems because someone somewhere did something stupid, before I retired. |
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| ▲ | hypeman1 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is a pretty reductive response given the circumstances. | | |
| ▲ | Jamesbeam 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you prefer a more lengthy answer. If there was an attack on your country, my phone wouldn’t stop ringing, just like it did 9/11. All I am getting is pictures of baked cookies right now.
So there is no attack on your country. Planes are not falling out of the sky, as you can see on publicly available platforms. Nothing is exploding on the ground, besides the poor souls choosing Taco Bell for dinner. I am confident you will not be abducted or murdered by Aliens today either, pinky promise. So whatever happens is not an immediate danger to the planes still in the air. And no danger to anyone on the ground. The most simple explanation is that the communication between ground and air is not working properly, and as this is necessary to safely fly thousands of planes simultaneously, they should rather stay on the ground for safety reasons until they figure out what is wrong. If you have any specific concerns not addressed above, feel free to share them. | | |
| ▲ | randysalami 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just to be clear, I am not talking about an overt attack directly by a nation state on the US. Instead an indirect attack by a malicious actor at the behest of a nation state with plausible deniability. Like the hybrid-war model you see in Europe. | | |
| ▲ | Jamesbeam 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I take your concerns seriously. I understand that Americans are on edge when the airspace gets grounded, we share the same trauma. You can be sure right now this is an all-hands-on-deck situation for your government. But they also publicly stated that right now, they have no reason to believe this was a hybrid or any attack by a foreign third party at all, and you can and should trust them, because there is a plan for this kind of scenario and the people who execute that are serving to protect you and do not care what color the party of the current clown in the White House has. That’s why I said relax and have something comforting. When I am stressed I’m having a hot chocolate with a nice big swirl of whipped cream. It will be fine. If you don’t trust your government, give me just a little of your trust for a few more hours and see if I am right. You’ll see, the conclusion will be that some idiot did something he shouldn’t have done, and that cascaded into a nationwide issue. People do the stupidest things all the time. |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah the boring answer is that this is likely the natural consequences of government cuts and historically just not staffing/funding the FAA properly. |
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