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▲ amluto 6 hours ago

I have no idea whether this particular failure was Microsoft's fault, but I was in the air on September 14, 2004 when a substantial portion of the southwestern US's air traffic control went down:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/lost-radio-contact-leaves-pilots-o...

(I was near ORD at the time, flying toward the outage area. We diverted to ORD, and the pilot was very friendly about it.)

At the time I thought it was Microsoft's fault, as Windows 95 and 98 were susceptible to crashing when GetTickCount() overflowed, and this ATC crash was due to a 32-bit millisecond counter on a Windows machine overflowing, but in this particular instance the system was apparently not running on a version of Windows with this particular bug and the failure was just an application error.

Aren't computers great? :)

▲Waterluvian 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

By chance were you flying an F-22 Raptor?

▲jtwaleson 5 hours ago | parent [-]

This sounds like the beginning of a good story.

▲Jtsummers 5 hours ago | parent [-]

F-22s famously had major computer problems when crossing the international dateline.

▲somat 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The other good story is the C-130 navigation computer freaking out when flying into Bar Yehuda https://avgeekery.com/challenge-flying-sea-level/

▲tzs 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I wonder if there is a list someone of planes that have had glitches when crossing various borders or boundaries on the Earth?

I remember hearing of a fighter a long time ago whose autopilot flipped out when it crossed the equator, due to sin(latitude) becoming negative.

▲drpixie 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Garmin systems I flew were only certified for ops south of 70°N and north of 70°S. Nobody knew what would happen closer to the poles. Maybe the system was just not tested to certification standards out there, or maybe it would do something really stupid and want to fly upside down or backwards! Either way, I wasn't going to be the pilot finding out on a dark night.

▲Waterluvian 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s likely to do with satellite geometry at extreme latitudes leading to lower accuracy. Maybe also the weaker access to correction data from geostationary satellites.

▲Jtsummers 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That was the F-16, and it's either apocryphal or something reported from testing/flight simulations and not an actual incident with a real aircraft.

▲add-sub-mul-div 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲Vegenoid 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hypothesizing that today’s big tech outage may be related to the big tech outage that was less than 24 hours ago is natural and sensible.

▲LdBaringSwallow 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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▲LPisGood 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If I’m not tasked with solving the problems then is there anything I can do for that is productive? Discussing it at all seems like unproductive rubbernecking.

▲JsonDemWitOster 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sir, this is an internet forum. Why are you here if you have problems to resolve?

▲seizethecheese 5 hours ago | parent [-]

account created 6hrs ago, -8 karma

▲LdBaringSwallow 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Totally agree; op is No True Scotsman.

▲rsoto2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right because here on a hacker news thread we are resolving the problem and not rubber necking

▲devmor 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why is anyone else expected to be productive in their speculation?

▲LdBaringSwallow 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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▲alistairSH 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Huh? I'm not at work, nobody is picking up my slack. If you want to deal with your own life, fine, but this is an Internet forum - the only reason it exists is to chat about whatever.

▲Forgeties79 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

is this productive?

▲LdBaringSwallow 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agreed. I would apply this further; stop letting 1970s and 1980s pop culture fads consume our attention; let go of Star Wars and Marvel etc etc; previous centuries headlines

Let go of software dev; as is a mechanical task from the 60s-70s

Cultural memory begets cultural conservatism

▲mdemare 5 hours ago | parent [-]

But we can still keep Monty Python, right?

▲dearing 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Ni!

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▲verandaguy 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

God forbid the news cycle slow down enough for society to process events rather than being continuously forcefed the next thing in the outrage cycle.

This is why there's such an issue with holding power to account nowadays.

▲Vegenoid 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I think you’ve misunderstood- this is an outage, not an outrage

▲verandaguy 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, in any case it's the outr?age cycle.

▲Vegenoid 4 hours ago | parent [-]

All flights grounded seems plenty newsworthy to me.

▲freediddy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To err is human.

To really fuck up, you need a computer.

▲emschwartz 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Amazing quote.

▲randysalami 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wrote about this four days ago:

"Realistically you want fewer, higher-quality engineers who are educated in these tools and treat them with respect and caution. These tools are dangerous and you can’t play around. All it takes is one mistake and the blast radius is way, way larger. One mistake can do so much damage it undos all value of an entire year. Before downloading a malicious dependency was limited to deterministic behavior and could be scanned for. Now, you run a MCP server locally, it can prompt inject (in many different ways), and now your super powerful AI buddy is hacking you in ways a deterministic piece of malware could never. You could cripple entire companies through negligent use." And "And now we are controlling models that can be hacked in so many different ways and literally blow up companies. It used to be accountability the software wouldn’t break. Now it’s accountability that in creating the software we don’t ruin the business."

Not saying this was caused by malicious actors or negligent AI agent usage nor am I saying was the previous Microsoft outage either the above references but it doesn't look great. If our technology is really so brittle, we might be looking at a return to way slower world to put it simply. Maybe no remote work because it gets hacked too easy!

▲EvanAnderson 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Computers are machines used to amplify human error.

▲NateEag 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> A computer is a device that enables a person to make more mistakes faster than any previous invention, with the possible exception of the combination of handguns and tequila.

-- some clever person whose name I do not know

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