| ▲ | throwitaway222 4 hours ago |
| Anyone have a screen shot? I just see "NO Advisory" edit: https://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/oisedit/adv_oisedit_dis?number=1... |
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| ▲ | lxgr 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| ATCSCC Advisory
ATCSCC 111 DCC 11/13/2026 NATIONAL GROUND STOP
EVENT TIME: 13/2053 - 14/0400
DUE TO EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND FOR REASONS OF SAFETY.
ATTENTION ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATORS, BY ORDER OF THE FEDERAL AVIATION
COMMAND CENTER ALL AIRPORTS ARE GROUND STOPPED. ALL DEPARTING
TRAFFIC SHOULD REMAIN GROUND STOPPED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. INBOUND
INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS WILL BE MANAGED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
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| ▲ | franze 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why 13/2053 ? | | |
| ▲ | agildehaus 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a format called "Date-Time Group" (DTG). Used in military, I think it dates back to teletypes, and is better to say over radio than modern ISO formats. You'd say "Valid from the thirteenth at two zero five three zulu" over radio. | | |
| ▲ | bmurray7jhu 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The TLDR is that punchcard operators found the DTG date format convenient. Punchcard sorting is easiest when consecutive bits encode the sort key, and the DTG format is easy to split into different sets of bit ranges corresponding to common business logic. |
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| ▲ | 0cf8612b2e1e 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Airplane software is some of the oldest on the planet, pre-dating anything that would be considered a best practice. When you see something weird in the space, assume it is because someone in the 1960s thought using more than two characters world be a profligate waste of space. Unrolling these decisions is a monumental task given the decades of hardware already deployed in the field that will only be upgraded when the current unit fails. | | |
| ▲ | lxgr 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > When you see something weird in the space, assume it is because someone in the 1960s thought using more than two characters world be a profligate waste of space. And with 1960s technology, this might just have been a very reasonable decision. | | |
| ▲ | 0cf8612b2e1e 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Totally. Just some of those decisions put awkward constraints when the hardware is now a million times more capable. |
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| ▲ | dcrazy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My guess at parsing: in effect from 8:53pm UTC on the 13th to 4am UTC on the 14th. | |
| ▲ | goldfingeroo7 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Friday the 13th at 08:53 PM UTC | |
| ▲ | Maxion 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | UTC |
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| ▲ | tniemi 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Holy french. |
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| ▲ | mikeyouse 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| From Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/HUT3wjABQ6 |
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| ▲ | bbor 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Oh nice, very helpful. The sibling thread mentions that this problem is specific to "ARTCCs", which are not the towers at airports but rather central hubs: Between the sectors administered by [smaller towers] are 20 contiguous areas of US airspace above 18,000 feet, each managed by an Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC)...
A flight is handed off from one Center to another until it descends near its destination, when control is transferred to the TRACON serving the destination, and ultimately to the tower controller serving the airport.
Wikipedia mentions they in particular use special "very high frequency aviation bands" (around "AM 118-137 MHz"), which is presumably why they're all linked together. It also mentions sharing systems, but no clear specifics that I can find. Certainly doesn't disprove the botched rollout theory, tho...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_control_center EDIT: someone below posted this, seems relevant -- the 'Radar multiplexer pipeline' that's on a "fast track" and an "aggressive track": https://www.sunhillo.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/SUN3125-... TL;DR: upgrading radio systems from old analog tech to new digital tech, I think? | | |
| ▲ | londons_explore 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'd be shocked if someone greenlighted an atc upgrade procedure which involves closing all US airspace to do the switchover. | | |
| ▲ | lxgr 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That’s obviously not what’s happening. But if this upgrade is really implicated, the real question would be where the line of accepted residual risk for an outage like this was drawn. | |
| ▲ | bbor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sorry I was unclear; the guess is that it caused an issue, not that they did this on purpose with no warning. | |
| ▲ | CobrastanJorji 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well sure, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if someone greenlit a plan that wasn't supposed to involve closing the airspace, but which failed and which had an insufficiently thought out rollback plan. |
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| ▲ | kulahan 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | For anyone who doesn’t want to click through, there are problems with “frequencies”. Something must be jamming up the airways… but nationwide?? | | |
| ▲ | inamberclad 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Probably a telecom issue. Most radio transmitters are operated over phone or Internet from a remote station. | | |
| ▲ | chinathrow 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Teams phone down? | |
| ▲ | sippingabonedry 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are these systems dependent on landlines? VZW and AT&T are moving full tilt in shutting down landline central offices. Literally the gay dude from Airplane pulling the plug from the socket may have happened here. | | |
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| ▲ | d1sxeyes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Looks fake. Outtages (sic)? |
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| ▲ | cobychapple 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://i.postimg.cc/XqcsDQw9/image.png |
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| ▲ | java-man 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://nasstatus.faa.gov/map |
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| ▲ | ryanschaefer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Seems “not great” that the notice isn’t even showing… |
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| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It disappeared briefly, but is back now. |
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| ▲ | lxgr 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Same here, I get it only on some refreshes, otherwise it shows "no advisories". I hope that's not the main path these things are disseminated normally. | | |
| ▲ | adamsb6 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | This thing is probably getting 10,000+% normal traffic, database is timing out on some queries, and it represents no answer as no notice. | | |
| ▲ | lxgr 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That would be a pretty concerning way of handling database failures, but I suspect you might be right. | |
| ▲ | sfink 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Power is off? Let the dinosaurs out. |
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| ▲ | deepvibrations 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| https://i.postimg.cc/bvzQNqc5/Screenshot-2026-11-13-at-21-37... |