| ▲ | FAA issues nationwide ground stop due to "extraordinary circumstances"(axios.com) |
| 109 points by owenshen24 4 hours ago | 33 comments |
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| ▲ | andrewgioia 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Does anyone have any insight on this? Currently at LGA and they’re continuing boarding procedures, but they’re not giving us any updates otherwise. |
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| ▲ | abnry 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Radar outage: https://www.weather.gov/afc/radaroutage | | |
| ▲ | 1970-01-01 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A national radar outage would do it. This would be a bigger story. Everyone needs it to forecast. However it doesn't seem to actually be offline. So I don't think it was a very long outage if it did go down. | | |
| ▲ | gscott 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The floppy disk upgrade went wrong | | | |
| ▲ | ddtaylor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How do a bunch of separate radars all go down at the same time? Aren't they spread around the US? | | | |
| ▲ | Aperocky 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | weather radar still works for weather channels.. |
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| ▲ | O5vYtytb 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I can still access NOAA radars just fine. |
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| ▲ | micah94 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Homeland Security saying "telecommunications" outage. But nothing more at this point... | | | |
| ▲ | jmclnx 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think I remember seeing an article here about air traffic controller systems moving off of 3.5" diskettes. Related ? | | |
| ▲ | neko_ranger 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "upgrade to cds. make no mistakes" | |
| ▲ | gosub100 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, my guess is cyber attack from a state we've been making false accusations against. | | |
| ▲ | junga 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Which one? | | | |
| ▲ | ashdksnndck 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Can you fill in the blanks here? My attempt: "China would never spy on us, but because of the implication they would put 50k of our citizens currently in the air in mortal danger"? | | |
| ▲ | thephyber 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's not a credible thesis, at least not given the info we have. Tier 1 cyber enemies would have done something more subtle (so as not to trigger a kinetic warfare response or a response in kind) or something so obvious that they announce it with a declaration of war. It's far more likely that the creaky old civilian radar infra has problems or some old single point of failure (maybe an old mainframe) has/had downtime. There are 3 widely rumored causes of this FAA outage (with seemingly no evidence) related to projects that the Feds were already working on making: (1) an AI air traffic controller assistant, (2) migration to something newer than 1970s floppy disk tech, (3) migration away from radar to GPS for controllers). All of these are more likely than a foreign cyber team attacking FAA systems in this way. |
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| ▲ | GolfPopper 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So, "We have met the enemy and he is us?" |
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| ▲ | United857 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is this the first such case since 9/11? |
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| ▲ | dole 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No. "January 11, 2023. All U.S. departing flights were halted for several hours after a computer outage crashed the FAA's Notice to Air Missions (NOTAM) pilot notification system" 9/11, 2023 and today are the only three times. | |
| ▲ | Jtsummers 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 9/11 was different, that also required all planes to land, more or less, as quickly as possible and not continue to their destinations (unless that was timely, I suppose). This one is a departure ground stop, no more planes going up. Planes in the air haven't been ordered to land yet. | |
| ▲ | KPGv2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | no, there was one in 2023 when a pilot notification system went down |
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| ▲ | promptsupporter 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Something with frequency of ATC signals? |
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| ▲ | ChrisArchitect 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Some more discussion on source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50489641 |
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| ▲ | jmclnx 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50489641 |
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| ▲ | smrtinsert 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was the aliens. |
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| ▲ | anthk 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Dear Unix users, "man 6 atc" won't solve it. |
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| ▲ | RickJWagner 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| First, the Microsoft outage. Now this. Extraordinary. |
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| ▲ | thephyber 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Not extraordinary, at least not given the little information we have now. Even the hyperscalers (AWS, Oracle Cloud, CloudFlare) are down about once every 5 years for as long as Microsoft Office was yesterday. The FAA has systems older than I am and they are known to have at least 3 major upgrade projects in the works. |
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| ▲ | ranger_danger 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Could this be related to what caused Outlook to go down? |
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| ▲ | dmitrygr 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| earlier discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50489641 |
