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▲ lp92 7 hours ago

Your logic is exactly what the Linux people were saying. But as we saw due to AI more and more bugs and exploits are being found, some dating back years of releases.

Open weights won't prevent a model from being poisoned because no human understands how the weights actually impact the model.

▲badsectoracula an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> But as we saw due to AI more and more bugs and exploits are being found, some dating back years of releases.

The source code being available doesn't mean there wont be any bugs, it only means that it'll be possible to find and fix the bugs without waiting whoever gatekeeps access to that code to do it for you.

Similarly, the weights being open, means that 3rd parties can potentially locate and fix issues with them without waiting for Qwen, ZhipuAI, Mistral, or whoever else to do it (who at that point might as well have moved on).

And yes, open weights wont prevent a model from being poisoned, just like open source doesn't prevent software from becoming buggy or exploitable. Where it helps is for 3rd parties being able to find, fix and release the fixes without depending on the original creators.

▲bigbadfeline 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Your logic is exactly what the Linux people were saying.

There's nothing wrong with that logic.

> But as we saw due to AI more and more bugs and exploits are being found, some dating back years of releases.

Well, AI helps fixing bugs too and it can also write bug free code with minimal additional effort, so open source not only retains its advantages in the presence of AI, it multiplies them. After the initial (and artificial) hype and bug-fixing efforts things are going to settle down quite nicely.

Closed source, on the other hand, doesn't have the advantage of multiple eyes and minds finding and fixing bugs and the unavailability of the source isn't an advantage either - AI can decompile and understand binary too, so it can find bugs without access to the sources as well.

> Open weights won't prevent a model from being poisoned because no human understands how the weights actually impact the model.

You're using one-sided logic again. If "no human understands how the weights actually impact the model" then viruses would be impossible. Apparently humans understand enough to introduce viruses and that's enough to detect and remove them. It's similar to alignment and abliteration, as I explained above.

▲prophesi 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> But as we saw due to AI more and more bugs and exploits are being found, some dating back years of releases.

That's by design though. It's just that there's now an exponential increase in the amount of "eyes", in the form of AI agents, looking at the FOSS code to find and fix the bugs.