Learn from Brazil, folks. Brazilian terrorists managed to get access to the mass surveillance system. I literally cannot think of a better argument against mass surveillance.

> both governments and private institutions have pushed for the contrary, more so in recent years.

Yeah...

Brazil in particular will only ever double down on totalitarianism. If people are stepping out of line so brazenly like that, then clearly it's because the boot of the state isn't stepping on their faces hard enough. Lula's government is on the record praising "the chinese model".

Gonna need more surveillance, more data collection, more vague and expansive laws, more judicial activism, more everything.

▲

rogerthis a day ago | parent | next [-]

Lula's opposition would do the same (Bolsonarists and non-Bolsonarists). Brazil is not Sweden. Country for the common man is so shit that nobody cares.

▲

matheusmoreira a day ago | parent [-]

Correct. Bolsonaro's proposals were so dramatic they were literally called "lights, camera, prison".

But at least he was going to go after the drug trafficking terrorists. Lula just isn't going to do that.

▲

carlspeaking a day ago | parent | next [-]

So you're OK with ignoring the rule of law and the constitution, which says the states are responsible for public security, and mass encarcerating people without due process in Salvadoran-style prisons?

And the Banco Master investigation (amongst many, many others), which has been happening under Lula's government and has found all kinds of involvement with PCC, doesn't count as going after drug traffickers/criminal organizations?

The phenomenon of PCC and CV being called terrorists only started when Trump gave those groups the terrorist designation, a patently political act, in order to bolster Flavio Bolsonaro's hypothetical/fake claims of being tough on crime and to try and weaken Lula during the campaign.

The Bolsonaro family's ties with organized crime are deep, widely known, and non-controversial at this point. Flavio never, not once denied it when Lula and others called him a miliciano, and the results of the runoff show who Brazilians believe is better equipped to protect Brazil and its citizens.

	▲	matheusmoreira a day ago \| parent [-]
		> So you're OK with ignoring the rule of law and the constitution No idea what you're even referring to. > And the Banco Master investigation ... doesn't count as going after drug traffickers/criminal organizations? Not really, and they're in the process of burying it anyway. Police started getting too close to the supreme court judge-god-kings, can't have that. > The phenomenon of PCC and CV being called terrorists only started when Trump gave those groups the terrorist designation Yes, and it's a designation I agree with. That's why I started calling them terrorists as well. Which is exactly what they are. > a patently political act, in order to bolster Flavio Bolsonaro's hypothetical/fake claims of being tough on crime and to try and weaken Lula during the campaign. They're still terrorists either way. That's the literal US designation. Before Trump decided to designate them terrorists, I used to call them secessionists and enemy combatants. I have no objections to the terrorism accusation. Works for me. > The Bolsonaro family's ties with organized crime Sigh. Didn't even mention Bolsonaro in my original reply, and I even criticized his equally totalitarian policies in my second reply. Stop bringing this guy up. He's powerless and in political asylum in the USA. Remember: Lula is still the Brazilian president.

▲

somewhatgoated a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

more violence won't stop drug trafficking

source: 40 years of "war on drugs"

▲

drdexebtjl a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, and replace them with vigilante militias, that are actually worse.

Putting drug traffickers behind bars or even killing them hasn’t worked. It creates power vacuums that are filled in immediately.

▲

marcosdumay a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> But at least he was going to go after the drug trafficking terrorists.

Bullshit on that. Also, how isn't he a terrorist? Is arranging 2 bomb attacks not enough?

▲

alala-lala-lon a day ago | parent | prev [-]

[dead]

▲

alala-lala-lon a day ago | parent | prev [-]

[dead]