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▲ internet_points a day ago

> Amazon spends a lot of time and effort trying to prevent these [fake] books from getting posted,” Mary Rasenberger, the CEO of the Authors Guild, told me, “but it’s always a game of catch-up.”

Do they really? They take a cut; they have incentives to let people get scammed.

▲dawnerd a day ago | parent | next [-]

Probably the same amount of effort spent on trying to prevent fake SSDs and usb drives.

▲boznz 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Paraphrasing as I've not uploaded a book for a while, but Amazon has a button for "AI was used to help create this cover or content" I wonder how many authors actually tick it? I'm guessing none.

▲rtkwe a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, it's a naive assumption that quality of the presented material doesn't impact consumer behavior, if they get flooded with loads of garbage books and people can't find good book they enjoy they'll stop shopping at Amazon and it doesn't matter if they make money off the slop. It's the same reason Youtube has quality filters for algorithmic feeds, if the stream gets too polluted with bad videos people will watch fewer videos.

It's exactly the same process that's causing people to avoid expensive purchases on Amazon due to the number of fake products that have infiltrated their supply. People move on if they're sold a lot of bunk goods from a place.

▲antiframe a day ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know. For years Amazon has had a fraudulent item listing problem to the point where it's hard to trust them. They have made no effort that I have seen to solve it. I mean, why would they, their sales haven't declined.

So, I am skeptical books will be any different than all those knock-off drop-shipped items.

▲14113 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think you're proving his point: You've identified that the fraudulent items make it hard to trust the marketplace, and (reading between the lines) that has affected your habits in relation to the marketplace.

▲antiframe 19 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, but I am one person. Their overall sales numbers show that I am a rare breed. With how bad Amazon has gotten in this regard, I would have expected sales to decline if people cared about it as well. Until they feel it in their pocket book (and it doesn't look like they are) they won't do a whole lot about it.

▲DarkUranium a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I often trust AliEx more than Amazon these days. At least one of the two isn't pretending not to be what it is.

Plus Amazon has a long history of screwing over sellers. TL;DR if your product is actually successful, they'll make their own "Amazon Basics" version of your product, then deprioritize you (or even ban you over an excuse). They do this a lot. There's a lot more than just this, it's just an example.

▲trollbridge a day ago | parent [-]

I trust Temu more than Amazon these days. Exactly what I ordered shows up, on or before the expected delivery date, and works.

I get NVMes from them now, 2.5G Ethernet switches, and lots of other random items for a fraction of a cost of playing the Amazon lottery.

▲throw-the-towel a day ago | parent [-]

NVMes, and they're not fake? Your courage is impressive.

▲trollbridge 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Works fine. Around $40 for 256GB (not 250). It’s TLC, quite a bit faster on reads than everything else in that price range.

▲rtkwe a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd say that's hard to judge from the top line sales numbers, their broad sales could remain fine even when they lose larger rare purchases if they're bringing in enough new customers that are fine with only buying the slop.

▲leptons 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sales may not have declined, but returns have skyrocketed. I return at least as much stuff as I keep. Sometimes they tell me to just keep the crap because they know it's crap and it costs them more for me to return it than to just refund me and let me keep the crap thing.

▲gumby271 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet look at all the non-book products being sold on Amazon that are all garbage. Its the same slop problem and has been for a while, but they don't seem to be addressing that either. I have to assume it doesn't impact their bottom line as much as we think it should, consumers don't (or can't) care as much as we would hope.

▲phil21 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Does it really impact people that much though?

There are two categories of (physical) products I buy on Amazon.

Regular “brand name” items sold in pretty much any big box retail store. I have more or less the same experience with Amazon as I do Walmart or Target or wherever for that category. Over thousands of orders I’ve never received a fake or had an issue outside of very rare packaging issues like damaged boxes.

The other category is “trash I need faster than aliexpress” and it’s basically exactly as-advertised for that junk. I usually get the item in two days or less where I am, and the quality level is more or less the same as ordering direct from China. Just trading expense for quicker latency. Useful for that last component for a project or whatnot.

I get that I might not be normal though. If I went to Amazon and searched for “grow lights” and got presented with what you get via that search I’d be quite frustrated. But I tend to research exactly what I want for those product categories and never had a problem getting what I expected.

▲MichaelDickens 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AI text classifiers are pretty good. Surely on a book-length text, they could get it right nearly 100% of the time. Seems to me that Amazon could easily ban AI-generated books if they wanted to.

▲preommr a day ago | parent | prev [-]

sample size of one, but I cancelled my spotify after the non-stop AI music slop.

Not out of principle, but because it's so incredibly distinctive and annoying. There's the composition that's bad (it's like all soul and gospel which was fun the first few times but got really old), but also the actual sound quality on a lot of AI generated music is awful.

Same thing with anything that's AI written. I just can't do it. It's like really bad fanfiction where someone tries too hard with forced metaphors and really stitlted pacing.

▲Sharlin 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How do you use Spotify to get exposed to AI music? An honest question. I mean, I'm sure it's chock full of it but at least my usage patterns don't expose me to it.

▲wiether 21 hours ago | parent [-]

Also interested by the answer!

All the playlists that Spotify generates for me are made of songs from actual humans and matches my taste.

The only times I'm exposed to slop is when I listen to generic playlists from Spotify or dodgy sources.

▲zahlman a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> but also the actual sound quality on a lot of AI generated music is awful.

I feel like I don't quite know what to listen for here.

▲californical a day ago | parent | next [-]

There are a couple sound-quality based tells that I've noticed, off the top of my head

1. Usually weird little "flickers" of sound - like how a candle gives you mostly constant light but there are little flashes of bright and dark. AI generated music tends to have little distortions scattered throughout like that. As the models have improved they're less obvious but still absolutely there if you try to listen to any individual 'instrument' or 'track'

2. very low dynamic range - loud sounds and quiet sounds are much more similar volume than you'd expect from most real music, and things that are supposed to fade or taper-off in volume are unnatural

▲zahlman 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> very low dynamic range

... Isn't that just how music is (increasingly) produced nowadays? Did the Loudness War ever actually end?

▲komali2 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Hi-hats. When testing sound quality, pay attention to the hi-hats. Once you notice the shimmer introduced by audio compression to a hi-hat you can't unhear it, and for whatever reason AI generated music replicates this.

▲TheCapn 21 hours ago | parent [-]

>and for whatever reason AI generated music replicates this.

Its within the training set I believe. The AI is being trained off compressed audio

I was listening to a podcast last year (forget which, or I'd attribute credit) and one of the tells AI researchers look for when trying to determine if music is AI generated or not is the compression artifacts. AI likely has gotten better at hiding it since then, but AI would include compression artifacts on the final product because of the prevalence of it in training data.