| ▲ | GardenLetter27 a day ago |
| So is Europe though. We even copied the US with the fixed fee on imports now plus an extra percentage fee coming in 2 years. Meanwhile Chinese EVs are banned, and even Tesla FSD is banned in most of Europe. |
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| ▲ | ch_sm a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Chinese EVs aren’t banned in the EU (to my knowledge), but have an import tax that brings their total price roughly to the level of western products. BYD is special amongst them, because they build cars in Hungary. |
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| ▲ | t0bia_s 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | In Czechia businesses can get ~17000€ per EV, free vignettes for EV, cheaper price for charging if you get photovoltaic panels, also donated ~8000€. No wonder that sales goes up when our taxes sponsor EV manufacturing outside EU. And simultaneously automotive in EU dies. |
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| ▲ | jttnr a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm glad FSD isn't allowed in Germany. A camera-only system is a long way from what I'd consider safe. Just as a reminder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJL3htsDyQ |
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| ▲ | krzyk a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Edge cases. LIDAR wouldn't help in case of water/rain, quite the opposite. It does help for funny painting. | | | |
| ▲ | GardenLetter27 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a ridiculous edge case. The real comparison is compared to most human drivers - distracted on their phones and smoking cigarettes, drunk driving or high on marijuana or laughing gas, etc. | | |
| ▲ | marticode a day ago | parent [-] | | This highlight the core issue of vision-only self driving: it falls apart when visibility is bad or confusing. Tesla FSD struggles with something as common as driving towards the sun at dawn/sunset. | | |
| ▲ | eliaspro a day ago | parent [-] | | Limit FSD to southbound roads, problem solved! | | |
| ▲ | vikaveri a day ago | parent [-] | | Probably northbound only. Sun at noon is low enough in northern Europe that it's not much different from sunset/dawn |
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| ▲ | tilsammans a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Completely untrue, Tesla FSD is approved for Finland, Netherlands, Lithuania, Estonia, Denmark, Belgium, Slovenia, Czechia, Croatia, Slovakia and Latvia. Chinese cars like BYD, Xpeng etc are everywhere too. |
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| ▲ | GardenLetter27 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | But not in France, Germany, Sweden, Spain, Poland, Italy, Ireland, etc. - thus not in most of Europe. | |
| ▲ | krzyk a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Basically the smallest EU countries. I agree that Chinese EV cars are all over Europe. | |
| ▲ | Gravityloss a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | European car manufacturers are sleeping on FSD. Why would I buy a non-FSD car if there's not much price difference? AFAIU only Ford and Tesla have it currently? | | |
| ▲ | throwa356262 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Mercedes has self driving that unlike Tesla has gone through proper safety testing and can be used at higher autonomy levels. Camera-only systems like the Tesla cannot handle some weather conditions and should not allowed on European roads. | |
| ▲ | origini a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is no Tesla Full self driving in europe. BMW can self drive on autobahns in europe. | | |
| ▲ | Gravityloss a day ago | parent [-] | | Can one buy a Mercedes or BMW today in Finland that can drive hands-off? Not meant as a rhetorical question. I thought that it's not possible but I might be wrong, am not an expert. | | |
| ▲ | origini a day ago | parent [-] | | Tesla can be used in Finland supervised aka tesla needs to see that you look at the street. BMW and Mercedes can drive hands-off and eyes off on german autobahns. So none of them can do it properly anywhere :D |
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| ▲ | throw-qqqqq a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Meanwhile Chinese EVs are banned Maybe I misunderstand you, but I don’t think this is true. On the contrary: AFAIK there isn’t a single European country that does this. Which countries are you thinking of? |
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| ▲ | GardenLetter27 a day ago | parent [-] | | The main issue is the tariffs and certification - like there is a literal hard cap on the total number of imports. It is getting better now though as BYD has the factory in Hungary at least. It's crazy that the EU criticise Trump for the ridiculous tariffs, but then do near the same thing themselves. And unlike Trump, we cannot vote them out. | | |
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| ▲ | rsynnott a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Meanwhile Chinese EVs are banned Are you actually in the EU? If so, are you blind? Chinese EVs self-evidently are not banned. |
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| ▲ | cromka a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Looking at your comments, which each and every one of is anti-EU and somewhat similar, I am almost convinced you are, in fact, a bot. And if you're not, then you have a clear agenda and given this very comment, just spread lies. |
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| ▲ | nkoren a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In my neighborhood in London, roughly half the cars I see are Chinese EVs. |
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| ▲ | marcyb5st a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What? I see BYD electric cars everywhere in Switzerland/Italy where I usually hang around |
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| ▲ | svelle a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Meanwhile Chinese EVs are banned What? BYD, NIO and others are to be found everywhere in Germany.
I literally see one parked on the other side of the street looking out of my window right now. |
