My compiler does not require billions of dollars of opearational infrastructure to work, except for the electrical grid.

And even in the case of outage, I can keep my computer running on a battery or a backup generator.

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origini a day ago | parent | next [-]

One claude instance also doesn't need billions of dollars of operational infrastructure to work.

Its great that you can keep your computer running, 1/3 of my information is ithe cloud (which is not a problem at all, even today) and 100% of my infrastructure is in the cloud.

Its not a problem at all, that a service has an outage. My laptop also had an outage when the logic board broke. Took 2 days to fix so what

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rglullis a day ago | parent [-]

> One claude instance also doesn't need billions of dollars of operational infrastructure to work.

Of course it does. It's the marginal cost that is low.

> 100% of my infrastructure is in the cloud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_illusion

> My laptop also had an outage when the logic board broke.

And if you had a local backup, you'd be able to resume your work immediately.

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streetfighter64 a day ago | parent [-]

> My laptop also had an outage when the logic board broke.

> And if you had a local backup, you'd be able to resume your work immediately.

Immediately after buying a new laptop. Or perhaps you mean you keep a spare laptop around? In any case, it's also an object that requires a huge environmentally destructive supply chain to create. Quite like a LLM...

	▲	rglullis a day ago \| parent [-]
		> Immediately after buying a new laptop No. I could go by with an older one, or in a pinch I could repurpose my current media server. Or I could put my data in an SSD with a bootable partition and borrow my wife's laptop... > huge environmentally destructive supply chain to create. Sunk cost fallacy? If the major electronics factories explode today, the existing computers won't stop working. If any of the Anthropic's datacenters go under, the compute capacity would have to be rebuilt.

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streetfighter64 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

If you're worried about the environment, you're better of stopping "outsourcing" your food gathering to factory farms or your walking to cars.

That's not what I'm talking about though, the question is whether the compiler does the thinking for you or not.

Or do you mean that the question of whether you're outsourcing your thinking to a LLM or not depends on whether you're running it locally? Would you claim you're outsourcing your thinking every time you run a script on a remote server?

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rglullis a day ago | parent [-]

My argument is specific to Claude, and it has nothing to do with "the environment".

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streetfighter64 a day ago | parent [-]

It seems you didn't finish reading my comment before replying. Here's the relevant part in case you missed it:

> Or do you mean that the question of whether you're outsourcing your thinking to a LLM or not depends on whether you're running it locally? Would you claim you're outsourcing your thinking every time you run a script on a remote server?

In any case, your "argument" is more of an observation that

> Claude requires billions of dollars of operational infrastructure to work

Okay, so does a bunch of other things as well. So what?

Me and other commenters have tried quite hard to divine what you feel is relevant about this fact, without success. Perhaps it's time for you to try to articulate what significance you see in it.

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rglullis 19 hours ago | parent [-]

My point is that your "outsourcing to a compiler" analogy does not make sense. And that running a hosted, proprietary LLM is not the same as "running a script in a remote server".

The whole "AI is a tool" argument only works if the "tool" is a commodity that is universally available and still exists even if the tool manufacturer disappears. Open-weights, locally hosted LLMs fit this criteria. Anything that depends on a cloud provider does not.

	▲	streetfighter64 17 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> The whole "AI is a tool" argument only works if the "tool" is a commodity that is universally available and still exists even if the tool manufacturer disappears. You have quite strange criteria for what constitutes a "tool", but sure, at least I see where you're coming from then.