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▲ vanelsas a day ago

I find it difficult to understand that character doesn't seem to matter anymore in this time and age. If a person cheats on his wife, do you not think he will cheat anywhere else? Do you believe that a person in power having an affair with an employee is ok?

I guess, once you have been subjected to the infinite horrible examples set by the current president of the USA, this seems like just another day at the office.

I prefer a world where character, integrity and honesty still matter.

▲soundworlds 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Agreed. For all the people saying "multiple affairs are his private business" - if someone shows a pattern of breaking company and legal policy, and covering it up, then who knows what else they're covering up. You simply can't have that in a CEO.

▲somerandom2407 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Some shareholders would like a CEO to do whatever he or she can get away with to the benefit of the company.

▲bitmasher9 19 hours ago | parent [-]

Having multiple affairs is doing whatever you can get away with to benefit yourself at the cost of the company.

Everyone knows how it would reflect on the company if it were to get out. He made the decision that the risk was worth it.

▲AdmiralAsshat 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Counter-point: Martin Shkreli being arrested and jailed, and still running the business while imprisoned:

https://nypost.com/2019/03/07/martin-shkreli-is-still-runnin...

Foibles are tertiary to shareholders after "ability to make line go up."

▲mint5 16 hours ago | parent [-]

That guy was infamously the most loathed man in America and was specifically known as a pharma bro in the worst way. Any business he was associated with, one already knows was shady and amoral as possible.

Pulling out The Pharma bro as an example is completely irrelevant to any even half respectable business. If we’re talking about pay day loan industry or MLM companies, sure maybe.

▲mft_ 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is all conjecture to suit your own personal morality.

I don’t think you can prove the core point that someone cheating in their marriage is more likely to cheat elsewhere. In reality, people are complex and will have different interpretations of morality. I’d bet you could find serial criminals who are scrupulously faithful in their marriage.

In reality, you’re dealing with three different domains: personal morality vs. company rules vs. nation state legality. There’s no accounting for how individual people weigh up their stance on each, and there’s not necessarily a correlation between any of them.

▲jmull 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Actually, setting aside personal morality entirely, something that looks quite a bit like "character, integrity and honesty" still matters.

It's trust. Trust is a very useful lubricant and accelerant for any kind of relationship, whether business or personal.

Without it, one would have to have the means and spend the time to analyze the potential for duplicity in any given interaction, build mechanisms to enforce agreements, monitor/verify outcomes, and/or retaliate forcefully enough against those that break agreements. You would largely be unable to work with other people or groups. Meanwhile, you'll be easily and massively out-completed by those that can establish trust-based relationships with each other.

This is quite important for a CEO to be effective. If people see a CEO doesn't follow through on his commitments when he feels he can get away with it, they won't trust him or the company he controls, which shrinks the company's opportunities.

Put it the short way: character, integrity and honesty build trust, and trust is a huge advantage. In a competitive landscape, a base level of business ethics is table stakes, and Jensen likely doesn't have that base level. (Note that the three affairs we've heard about all have significant business ethics implications, not simply personal ones.)

▲calf 14 hours ago | parent [-]

This is all ideological pablum, the employees trust Jensen more than they trust the board, evidently. So by that logic the board should go.

▲DeusExMachina 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you tried to apply the same meter to yourself?

Does any of your weaknesses or character flaws imply you should never be hired again? Or do you think you are the only human being ever to not have any flaws?

Some of the most popular people in history had deep flaws that did not tarnish their work. Einstein had an affair and later married his cousin while he was married to another woman. Should he have being ousted from any university because you think he would cheat everywhere else? Tesla was in love with a pigeon. Do you discount his work because of that?

Many profess to want a world where character, integrity and honesty still matter. Of course, only when it applies to others. “We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behaviour.” - Stephen Covey

▲paulryanrogers 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Never hired again" and fired once are different consequences. It's all a spectrum, both for mistakes and their impact on our lives.

People with outsized power should be held to higher--not absolute--standards. Not lower ones because they hold some purse strings.

▲pessimizer 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Have you tried to apply the same meter to yourself?

This is not a real argument, just a sort of a public admission that you're a cheater and you rationalize it by saying everyone cheats.

I disagree with the original premise, and I don't care if a good CEO is incontinent sexually as long as he does not provide blackmail material (which Huang did) or do it on the job (which he did.) I think you can lie to your wife and not lie to your mom, and vice-versa. But many people have a moral foundation that is more important as a guide to their own behavior than as something they lord over other people. Not everybody is cheating.

Also, "everybody is doing something" is never an excuse.

▲joshstrange 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And HN seems to only care about money and shareholder value. It’s disgusting.

I’m not deluded to think HN is perfect, I’ve been here for many, many years and seen the imperfections. That said, this subject has exposed a deep, rich vein of depravity that makes me incredibly uncomfortable.

▲GlumWoodpecker 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My first instinct is to tell you that "HN" is not a single monolithic entity; it is thousands of entirely separate individuals, and opinions will vary widely between any one of them.

On the other hand, yes, the capitalistic focus those kinds of people have is indeed disgusting... but remember that you're on a U.S. website filled with people working in the U.S. tech industry. Unfettered capitalism is so deeply ingrained in U.S. culture that it's entirely natural to them to prioritise money and shareholder value.

▲paulryanrogers 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not everyone here is so dismissive of such choices.

Some find these errors deeply concerning. There are dozens of us! Dozens!

▲4gotunameagain 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is infeasible to hold people to a standard of absolute perfection.

It is not a stretch to imagine that either a) someone could be sexually deviant without being dishonest in business relationships b) Huangs have an open marriage.

▲bitmasher9 19 hours ago | parent [-]

> without being dishonest in business relationships

It was really the second affair, the one with an employee (a business relationship) that forced the resignation.

▲4gotunameagain 19 hours ago | parent [-]

If we decided that an affair with an employee is definite grounds for firing a CEO and we investigated all companies, we'd have only a handful of CEOs left.

▲paulryanrogers 19 hours ago | parent [-]

And when they are caught and being blackmailed or otherwise exploited, so the board calls them to privately account. If they lie to the board, then what? Must the whole company suffer for each revelation until all credibility is gone?

If OpenAI has taught me anything it's that for too many people might makes right. (Whether that's hard or soft power.)