| ▲ | pjmlp a day ago |
| Let me put this way, the Visual C++ standard library has officially one FTE working on it, everything else are open source contributions. WinUI 3.0, WinAppSDK, and related CsWinRT, C++/WinRT are in a ridiculous position six years after Project Reunion announcement, due to ever meagre resources. XBox app keeps under delivering user experience, and bugs on patch Tuesdays are getting a joke by now. All this in a four trillion valued company. |
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| ▲ | ctmlr a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Maybe acting like jerk-offs got them to four trillion but there are consequences to burning all your social capital. A large camp of software developers have genuinely hostile feelings towards Microsoft, I would bet that this affects the quality of talent they can hire and these are downstream affects. Lately it seems like more non-techies are souring on the company. |
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| ▲ | sznio a day ago | parent | next [-] | | >A large camp of software developers have genuinely hostile feelings towards Microsoft which, besides hatred, manifests in malice, like Nightmare Eclipse. I wouldn't be surprised if this outage was an engineer leaving a parting gift, using a bug they probably knew of for years but management didn't allow them to fix. | | |
| ▲ | bix6 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Wow Nightmare Eclipse is fascinating. It sounds like he is operating in a gray area and could be charged if Germany really wanted to? | |
| ▲ | aslihana a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Agree. I was having suspicions around that | |
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| ▲ | fifticon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Tellingly, I will not go to MS for UI stuff.
When I have to anyway, I use their decades-old APIs.
It is a canary with regards to microsoft,
that they have no known champion for their UI stuff,
no trusted face for their UI stuff;
the company all just appears to coast along on
"I assume someone is handling it?"
The main microsoft employee I trust is Raymond Chen,
they have no current generations of Raymond Chen / that we know of. | |
| ▲ | sterlind a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | talent they can hire? large swaths of the company have been in a hiring freeze. they just sent 25% of the company voluntary severance offers. | | |
| ▲ | rsalus a day ago | parent [-] | | they've still been hiring, just on an attritional basis - headcount has remained flat for a few yrs now. it is pretty clear though that they want to operate even leaner. |
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| ▲ | lelanthran a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've been hearing that since 2002, at least. Enterprises have been failed time and time again by poor MS products, but techies will steadfastly refuse to move off it, so the business has no option. | | |
| ▲ | disgruntledphd2 a day ago | parent [-] | | > Enterprises have been failed time and time again by poor MS products, but techies will steadfastly refuse to move off it, so the business has no option. My suspicion is that lots of the companies are so attached to all the MS stuff (and that's what their staff know), that it would be an incredibly large lift for them to move off it. Like, I'm at a very windows/azure focused shop now (for the first time in my career), and literally everything is already on MS, or moving towards MS. There are some good reasons for that, and some bad reasons, but I suspect that most of the sales process happens at the executive level, rather than the technical level (and Excel runs the world, so why not let MS do everything else?). |
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| ▲ | mihaaly a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Jerk-offs can skim the profit of going big yesterday while the consequences affect everyone, but only in the future of yesterday. Who does such things, one might ask? Jerk-offs, off course. And PE too (likely not a disjoint set). | |
| ▲ | kakacik a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Was there ever a time when this was not true? M$ was always among top hated companies since 90s, arrogance, fuck-U to users all around, absolutely ignoring any standards larger than them, and famous 'Embrace, extend, and extinguish' which was pathetic to watch for any engineer worth 2 cents. Top notch user experience peak was Windows XP and every subsequent release was massively larger, clunkier and slower while requiring way more resources, was spying on the users more and more. Office has similar story, peak of usability was maybe 2007 with ribbon introduction (which still a lot of power users hated with passion since it was far from clean design, more seemingly designed by committee of marketing guys). |
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| ▲ | Cthulhu_ a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is what I don't get about big companies and their software; you'd think every application, every moving part would have a (small?) team of core maintainers, people that get paid well to know everything there is to know about something, ranging from (in microsoft's case) Paint to a particular configuration panel. I get that this doesn't scale though - a lot of features are just "done" at some point and keeping one or more people whose sole job is to maintain this may lead to them bolting on features just to stay relevant / stop being bored. But big tech can easily afford to keep people like that on. (I mean they keep (kept?) tons of middle management on, who knows what they even do? Not emailing right now that's for sure am I right?) |
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| ▲ | as1mov a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > every moving part would have a (small?) team of core maintainers, people that get paid well to know everything there is to know about something, I work at a company with a few thousand employees in the Netherlands, and have been moved around a few teams in the last 7 years (not by choice, the team is nuked and I'm shuffled off elsewhere). Technically, the product is supposed to have a "handover" to another team who can do the maintenance. What happens in practice is the person who worked on it gets saddled with maintaining it forever along with taking up the responsibilities of the newer work that comes along their way. I've accumulated a string of such projects, including one that's used extensively by a few large companies, and the only person maintaining it is drumroll ... me, in whatever time I can spare for it. | |
| ▲ | ctmlr a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Companies just don't want to compensate people to hang around and maintain a system, they want a consistent output of widgets that can be measured. Somehow our work culture is still stuck in factory worker mentality despite being well into the information revolution now. |
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| ▲ | logicchains a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >the Visual C++ standard library has officially one FTE working on it One guy but it's Stephan T. Lavavej the guy who the "STL" was literally named after. |
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