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| ▲ | jabl a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Wayland is now as old as Xorg was when wayland started because X11 is "old and crufty" and still not usable. How is this comparison supposed to make any sense? When Xorg started it was a fork of the existing XFree86 codebase (due to XFree86 changing license to one not deemed open source compatible), not starting from a clean sheet of paper. And XFree86 in turn wasn't a clean sheet implementation of the X protocols either, it IIRC started as a bunch of patches on top of the reference X11 codebase which goes back to the 1980'ies. |
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| ▲ | kiney 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | this is counting the xfree86 legacy. That one was started in 1991 and 17-18 years old when wayland was startet in 2008 which is now 18 years ago.
Counting the time before xfree86 doesn't make much sense. While initial implementations of X where older than that, those early implementations don't really have much in common with todays Xorg.
And the problem is, that wayland is still much less mature than Xorg was when wayland was started. |
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| ▲ | silon42 a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The big problem with Wayland I see is that every small app needs to do everything (fonts, ...) which can be a lot of startup overhead... (I'm 100% not a fan of using a single process for all terminals). |
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| ▲ | kiney a day ago | parent | next [-] | | tbf in reality nobody uses X11 corefonts anymore. Even on X11 all typical toolkits like GTK or Qt have been doing their own client side font rendering for years.
(but X11 still supports server side fonts if you want to make trivial clients) | | |
| ▲ | tniemi a day ago | parent [-] | | I don't miss the font mismatch, partial Unicode, and the wrong mapping of ÅÄÖåäö of X11 servers... |
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| ▲ | robotmay a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's so many irritations with using Wayland that I continue to strip it out of installs. Not being able to correctly use push-to-talk in voice chat apps because of window security is infuriating, and one app crashing still takes down the entire desktop. |
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