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▲ vander_elst a day ago

Can anyone understand the logic behind the names? Argon, hydrogen, carbon, what is the mental model one should use to understand where they fit, or what comes before/after?

Haiku, sonnet, opus.. is ok

terra, Luna, Sol... is also ok..

but this?

▲aoeusnth1 a day ago | parent | next [-]

They started out alphabetical for their pro releases: argon, barium (never released), carbon

Then they needed a flash model so they picked the lightest element.

▲vander_elst a day ago | parent [-]

They dropped the ball pretty quickly

▲ajs1998 a day ago | parent [-]

Google has a chronic forgetting-about-their-products problem.

▲motoboi a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The higher the atomic mass, the higher the intelligence.

▲GaggiX a day ago | parent [-]

It's not, Gemini 4 Carbon is better than Gemini 4 Argon.

Argon internally was called Barium (Argon was a different model) so the models were originally named in alphabetical order. Then they change their mind and decided to call the lightweight model following the atomic weight so Hydrogen after they have released (A)rgon and (C)arbon. I imagine that this lightweight model is the original Argon.

▲forgotpwd16 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

H lightest (highest speed), Ar stabilizer (balanced), C structural bonds (highest reasoning)?

▲vander_elst a day ago | parent [-]

I like the theory, curious how this will evolve though

▲Iron_Ninja5 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also make sure not to confuse Gemini Carbon with the Carbon programming language, a C++ successor programming language that Google is developing.

▲mda a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Carbon > Argon > Hydrogen not that hard?

▲jdiff a day ago | parent [-]

It's 3 items, it's not difficult. But there's no way to infer that from the names alone and that's Bad Product Naming.

▲anentropic a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also... Argon and Carbon are the same price, but Carbon is better I guess?

And "Hydrogen surpasses Argon on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index at its default high thinking level"

Given it's twice the price of 3.8 Flash I hope they would find room for another cheaper tier, but the Hydrogen name suggests not.

I'm glad Google are coming out with some decent models but it's a slightly confusing line up.

▲resolutefunctor a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They are all terribly named, but Gemini models definitely take the cake right now.

▲krisroadruck a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My guess, by atomic weight. Hydrogen = "sonnet". Carbon = "opus". Argon = "Fable" only argon 4 just happens to be kinda shit? But also it's google so who the hell knows. They could be just going alphabetical argon, then carbon, then hydrogen as release order follows the alphabet. That'd be kinda dumb but so is their access/subscription strategy so it'd be on brand.

▲forgotpwd16 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Reasoning-wise Carbon > Argon (so actually is Carbon, Argon = "Fable", "Opus").

▲willy_k a day ago | parent [-]

Carbon can be more performant while being a smaller model.

▲DefineOutside a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I thought they were going by alphabetical order like intel does for GPUs

A = argon for initial release B was skipped because you can't name a product boron C = carbon D = ??????

They might be going for atomic weight, but the average person couldn't say whether argon or carbon was heavier.

▲InvisibleUp a day ago | parent [-]

"Argon" had me thinking they would go with a noble gas theme, with Helium as the light one and Xeon as the heavyweight.

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▲layoric a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Always rely on Google to mess up product launches

▲PunchTornado 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

why are 50 comments about naming? why do people care about it? i've never been bothered by naming.

▲vander_elst 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For me is because I prefer having a mental model so that I can immediately understand what to expect from a model instead of having to remember every model as a single separate instance.

E.g. I know what to expect from the sonnet vs opus families, so if I read sonnet 4.6 and opus 5.5 I know to which generation they belong and what kind of general capabilities they could offer. if I read opus 9.2 I know something is off. I guess, it helps me organize my thoughts.

With names from Google, if I were to read Gemini Helios, or Gemini Iron I would have no idea how they fit the bigger picture.

▲Marczelloni 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think we're all a little neurodivergent round here. For me- it really bothers me, like... you have a bilion dollar product you've spent countless resources on and you botched the naming... you might as well made a typo in it and call it "Cabron"