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▲ redox99 a day ago

It will be the same as these smaller models from OAI and Ant. Strong in benchmarks but pretty bad in real world use.

I've read this same comment every time a new Luna came out, and the difference between free GPT (Luna) and paid (Sol and Astra) is still outrageous for general use.

▲JacobAsmuth a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think this is a completely different class from Luna and is much more akin to 6.1 Sol in terms of capabilities and general intelligence.

▲redox99 a day ago | parent [-]

Maybe, although google tends to benchmaxx. If it's actually sol for free that's kinda crazy good.

▲WarmWash a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

3.8 flash was easily the best general everyday person model yet though

▲notatoad a day ago | parent | next [-]

3.8 flash was never served to free users on google though?

▲JacobAsmuth a day ago | parent [-]

3.8 Flash was served to free users in AI Mode IIRC

▲WarmWash a day ago | parent [-]

Only for pro and ultra users

The free default was 3.5 flash lite.

▲JacobAsmuth a day ago | parent [-]

Ah, you're correct.

▲Gareth321 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Maybe I’m spoiled but I found it repulsively dumb. Some of the highest rates of hallucinations since GPT-3. Incredibly lazy. Heavily biased to parametric knowledge and speed over accuracy. I would rather have no AI at all than use that.

▲seizethecheese a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It's definitely not the case that small models only do well in benchmarks. We're working on a battle system on top of OpenCode, so have data for real people doign real work.

Right now DeepSeek Flash 4.1 Flash has a 64% win rate against GPT 6.1 Sol. Small data still, but it has 33 wins vs. 18 losses, which is confidence interval of 52% - 78% win rate. https://agentduel.com/leaderboard/models/deepseek/deepseek-v...

▲redox99 a day ago | parent [-]

That's coding though. I was talking about general usage.

▲seizethecheese a day ago | parent [-]

Okay, makes sense, though I don’t see a huge difference in quality between Luna and Astra for basic chat usage.