| ▲ | eska 2 days ago |
| In the long term, the only way for them to fight this is streaming video games. But even then AI can be used to recreate gameplay from video material.. |
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| ▲ | mjr00 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > But even then AI can be used to recreate gameplay from video material.. Sorry what? Is there an example of AI recreating a nontrivial, modern game from just video material? |
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| ▲ | jjcm 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Low complexity, but to test fable 5.2 I gave it this instagram reel of a
Kikis delivery service inspired seedance video: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXKjMSIkv97/?mdxt=OHBwaW5yamV... And told it to make a game, and it made: https://petalwake.non.io Vid is here if you prefer that: https://x.com/pwnies/status/2119987174884143348?s=46&t=bwJTI... | | |
| ▲ | mjr00 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Yes, it can create a new game based on the style of a video, that's not really what anyone cares about though? The claim is that AI can recreate GTA6 from a GTA6 stream, not create an off-model GTA6 clone from video footage. |
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| ▲ | hedora 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's getting there. Most games are sitting on top of engines that do almost all the heavy lifting, so the AI just has to reverse engineer the assets, gameplay and levels from footage. It can even run the game alongside the clone to see what sort of differences it finds. | | |
| ▲ | mjr00 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > Most games are sitting on top of engines that do almost all the heavy lifting What? Yes, most game use engines, but all of them customize gameplay systems, graphics/shaders, UI, etc dramatically. That's like saying that most programs are easy to reverse engineer because Windows/Linux are doing almost all of the heavy lifting. > so the AI just has to reverse engineer the assets, gameplay and levels from footage. The word "just" is doing an incredible amount of lifting here, you're basically appealing to "AI is magic and will eventually be able to do everything". If that's your argument I can't dispute it I guess, but the fact is that at the current time there has not been an example of AI reverse engineering a modern video game from gameplay footage alone. | | |
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| ▲ | zamadatix 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I suppose this gets into world models a bit, but I honestly don't know this is a reasonable question. Do you really care to know it was already done or do you care to know if it could reasonably be done if it were the best available way? GP seems to be talking about the latter but you seem to be talking about the former. |
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| ▲ | tensegrist 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| aren't there games that forbid streaming them |
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| ▲ | KeplerBoy 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, they always require special licenses. GTA 6 won't stream to PCs on day one for example. | |
| ▲ | joquarky 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | And that's one of the problems of creeping copyright maximalism that will lead people to be fed up. How do these licenses gatekeep streaming when the only right granted by copyright is control over who can copy? Don't forget the justification for copyright in the US is "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts". I don't see how blocking streaming fits under that justification. |
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| ▲ | sublinear 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nintendo in particular leans way too hard on old intellectual property. The first step to their continued survival is admitting that they lost. They put up a good fight, but betting the farm on nostalgia was already pissing in the wind 20 years ago. AI is a hurricane in comparison. |
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| ▲ | jonhohle 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Do you think Nintendo, Disney, and other IP holders, are going to roll over? Just like RIAA did when MP3s were being traded? They are bigger now than ever and the rest of us are stuck with laws that threaten fair use, eliminate first sale rights, and threaten people who just want to fix the stuff they bought. The bear will only be poked so much before it decides to get up. If the fight seems existential, it’s not the content owners who are going to end up losing. | | |
| ▲ | joquarky 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I'm excited because the tighter their grip, the more quickly people will realize that intellectual property is obsolete. Intellectual property is a violation of nature anyway, so good riddance when that time arrives. | | |
| ▲ | jonhohle 2 days ago | parent [-] | | And OpenAI and Anthropic get to pick up all the pieces and control the lifetimes of work and billions of dollars spent to create it? I’m all for copyright reform, but handing it to two companies puts us in a significantly worse position, imho. | | |
| ▲ | joquarky 2 days ago | parent [-] | | So what? If it wasn't those two corporations it would be other giga-cap corporations. IP has been subverted by large companies with full time staffed lawyers to make sure they always win. The only way to beat them is to be another huge company with teams of lawyers. If you think individuals have any of these rights anymore, then your're living in some alternate reality. |
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| ▲ | mahboi 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | GameCube/GBA era was the last time they made great games with any consistency. Every single series had a significantly worse game for Wii/DS, yet the Wii sold way better and all the IGN reviews were great. 10/10 for Skyward Sword. | | |
| ▲ | fl4regun 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I'm sorry, I disgaree firmly, there's tons of great first party games on both the Wii and the DS. | | |
| ▲ | mahboi 2 days ago | parent [-] | | That's alright. Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario Sunshine/Galaxy, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Paper Mario, those are the big ones where I was disappointed in the Wii sequels. And the motion controls were overall a downgrade, which it seems even Nintendo admitted. Do you prefer the Wii ones, or are you just saying they were still great? There are also people who say Nintendo lost their way with the GameCube and that the N64 was the real deal. Well, I can see that with Zelda at least. I was a kid at the time and went back to play Ocarina. | | |
| ▲ | fl4regun a day ago | parent [-] | | I'm saying mario galaxy is generally just as well regarded as sunshine and 64, I grew up on sunshine, its obviously my favourite but galaxy takes the second place over 64 for sure. we also had metroid prime 3. MKDS was the best portable mario kart at the time, MK Wii was also a great game even if it didn't have the same kinds of advanced techs (which casual gamers don't even care or know about), paper mario is almost impossible to compare since it changed so much from ttyd but also an quality game. none of those to me signal the loss in quality like we saw with all the "new super mario/luigi" rehashing that we saw during the wii u and 3ds era. |
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| ▲ | skeaker 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Agree and disagree. The OoT remake that just came out is basically all-in on banking on nostalgia, and it's sold out basically everywhere, so obviously what they're doing works even today. Them taking stuff down like this though is just obviously out of line, for much the same reason. If your stuff is flying off the shelves and selling out the world over, it should not matter to you that some people are ripping stuff for free on the internet somewhere. You made your money already, what more do you want? |
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| ▲ | mosura 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Nintendo fans are a special breed. Thinking AI will disrupt them by cloning games from videos is like thinking Six Flags is a threat to Disneyland. |
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| ▲ | TJSomething 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It might be an anecdote, but the Gary Bowser decision got me to stop buying Nintendo, even though platformers are my favorite genre. My third video game was Super Mario World and I have every home Nintendo console from the SNES to the Switch and handheld from the Game Boy Color to the 3DS. It didn't hurt that my Steam Deck is also pretty good for games. I like having an open platform and it actually delivered on what I wanted with the OpenPandora. | | | |
| ▲ | anthk 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Clones". Oh, sweet summer child... either native or emulated, but 100% the same game. |
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