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▲ jmyeet 2 days ago

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▲orblivion 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Politically, HN skews pretty heavily right.

I've found HN to be pretty hostile to DOGE (whereas conversation is usually respectful even for fringe viewpoints; something special happened here).

▲nemomarx 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

DOGE was less popular than most of the admins stuff, and more scandalous at various levels (the stuff they did cut was fairly popular, they didn't manage to cut the stuff people might have really seen as wasteful, they went about accessing data in strange ways, some of the employees were quite young and looked unqualified).

I don't think you can assume much just by knowing somebody disliked them.

▲orblivion 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

That's totally fair, nobody is happy with DOGE at this point and a lot of people were skeptical and nervous as it was happening. I just don't recall anyone popping in to say "damn it, they're doing it wrong!".

▲SV_BubbleTime 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

lol, do you think it is a coincidence that going after DC’s money was met with more media attention than other things? I don’t.

▲nemomarx 2 days ago | parent [-]

The things they got the most attention for like USAID weren't really core dc money. if anything I think they failed to really touch federal programs much in the end, but they did wildly swing at other stuff (like infamously just word searching to cancel research grants etc).

▲jghn 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

One may interpret this as the Overton window having shifted quite a bit over the last several years. As in "HN skews pretty heavily right" can be correct *and* it can also be true that the wackadoo faction of the right has dominated the discourse for a while.

To spin it another way: if we ignore the rise of the faux-libertarian (you know, the more typical brand now, libertarian but all for a strong military and christian nationalism), I'd argue that the typical HN skews more old school small-l libertarian on the right wing spectrum. That's quite a bit different from the MAGA, christian nationalist, style of right wing politics that has been in vogue lately.

▲orblivion 2 days ago | parent [-]

But DOGE (as conceived) is the wet dream of a libertarian from any era. If anything it's a bone that Trump threw to libertarians. It's not especially MAGA imho.

▲jghn 2 days ago | parent [-]

On paper yes, but anyone with half a brain saw that the opposite was true in real life. They went in, made things worse, didn't save any money, and absconded with a lot of private data. My recollection from that time period was the tenor here shifted rapidly from generally positive to generally negative.

▲orblivion 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yeah but on HN in particular I never recall anything positive or hopeful at the beginning. I may have missed or forgotten about it though.

▲enronmusk 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Politically, HN skews pretty heavily right

If you truly believe this, you're living in a bubble. Economically it might be pro free markets, but socially it's heavily "progressive" -- see any discussions about Omarchy, LGBTQ, Elon, or Trump.

▲JohnnyMarcone 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Every time Musk comes up there are a bunch of people excusing his behavior just like what is happening with Huang.

▲tomhow a day ago | parent [-]

> a bunch of people excusing his behavior

And also a bunch of people condemning his behavior. And many or most of the comments about him from either side are flagged. Most people here are bored of the topic and want to talk about topics that satisfy intellectual curiosity, which is what this site is for.

This site gets millions of visits and tens of thousands of commenters posting hundreds of thousands of comments each month. The ideological skew is what you would expect of a site that attracts hackers, tech industry employees and freelancers; strongly socially left and moderately economically left, but forming a normal distribution with representation from across the spectrum of reasonable opinion, just as you would expect in any large group of people,

The guidelines start with a directive to "be kind", and people who are unkind or who advocate unkindness get penalized and banned here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

▲jmyeet 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲tomhow a day ago | parent [-]

> Leftism begins with anti-capitalism

Can we please not open a comment with a dogmatic claim about a nebulous ideological concept? After some of the most sophisticated thinkers in history have debated topics like this for centuries, we are not going to move the needle here, today.

If you want to engage in battle over ideology, please find one of the many places on the internet that are set up to host debates about ideology. You've been here long enough to know very well that comments like this are against the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit:

Also, on this:

> "yeah but Jensen made so much money"

Please don't ever post false quotes here or mischaracterize the community like this. There's not a single instance of that text string in this thread or indeed in the entire two decades of HN, and it's not an accurate reflection of any significant strand of thought here.

People are debating whether the offence is severe enough to warrant dismissal from the company, given how successful and important the company is and given his role in building it, which is a perfectly valid question for thoughtful people to debate. Nobody is saying he should be excused of any/all wrongdoing simply because he “made so much money”. Please stop trashing this community with slurs like this.

▲DanTheManPR 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm socially progressive but economically conservative. That's why, whenever there's a tough situation where compromise is needed, I always compromise on the side of "let the free market run amok".

▲SV_BubbleTime 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲orblivion 2 days ago | parent [-]

Die-hard socialists often consider "liberals" to be soft-core right wingers. I'm not sure there's an objective center, it's all a matter of perspective.

▲jmyeet 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, this is basically correct. I drew a diagram [1].

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50164265

▲SV_BubbleTime 2 days ago | parent [-]

lol, DSA as center huh? Interesting take. How fascinating that there is no far left according to you.

▲wasfgwp 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> and a billionaire

That means he can’t have any affairs with anyone who isn’t a billionaire without it turning into sexual harassment due to the imbalance in power?

> basically hushed with an NDA, and probably a big payment

So depending on how big the payment the alleged victim might be pretty happy with the outcome?

I mean if the board believes that the actions of the CEO resulted in financial damage to the company it’s up to them to investigate and deal with it. I just don’t get the whole morality police angle as long as the affair was between consenting rational adults.