I don't think the relations with USA will be normalized anytime soon, at least not to what they were before Trump.

Trust is difficult to build and easy to destroy. Once it is destroyed, it is even more difficult to be rebuilt. Europeans will never forget the US irrationality, unpredictability, and the backstabbing. US threatened to invade Europe, to cut Europe from critical technology, and to sell it to Russia. That's not something that just gets forgotten quickly.

US and Europe will likely continue to be allies and to cooperate, but the relationship will be MUCH more equal and adversarial going forward.

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thisislife2 a day ago | parent [-]

- Trust is difficult to build and easy to destroy.

Here you are assuming that the European politicians do not know what the US administration wants and is doing - they are just doing political theatrics for their public, while maintaining close ties with the US. The European superpowers (and the emerging powers) are very much part of this political idea of a stronger NATO as they agree with their Anglosphere partners (Five Eyes) that to challenge a united Russia and China in the future, a stronger military is very much required. Trump is an easy (and willing) target to blame for the "public breakdown" in relationship - note that nobody in Europe is politically disparaging the whole of the US for this, which would be much harder to politically repair.

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illiac786 18 hours ago | parent [-]

I disagree. “American” has gained a very negative connotation in my circle of friends.

And there are more and more politicians openly anti-US (not just anti-Trump). Mostly opposition, smaller parties, yes. Big players are too afraid of what they have to lose, and while I can’t read their mind, I can’t imagine this shift hasn’t reached them too. They’re just hiding it out of fear.

Politicians may often be self-interested, but in general less so. And most importantly, they are emotional beings like the rest of the population. To think that their emotions are not impacted by two Trump mandates is naive.

You think politicians are machines, self-interested with zero loyalties or emotions in general, literally a different species from the rest of the population. I think that’s far too simplistic.

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thisislife2 17 hours ago | parent [-]

I think successful politicians have the talent to shape public opinions. If you have any negative perception of the US today, it is because of your politicians. Tomorrow, these same politicians can make you feel good about the US too, if they so desire to.

	▲	illiac786 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Then successful politicians are exceedlingly rare. Minds are shaped by algorithms and news, trust in politicians is very low.