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▲ TSiege a day ago

This story is very cool, and it’s exciting to see how much progress AI will bring to every field. One thing to temper everyone from wanting to lidar the whole world is human capacity. Finding discoveries like this is essentially as hard as doing the lidar mapping. Now the issue will be getting archaeologist there in time before someone else does.

The best way to protect a site is to leave it alone. If we start finding dozens or hundreds of sites it will be more than what archaeologists can excavate and protest. Treasure hunters and looters don’t care about stratigraphy and the processes involved for doing research. Maybe the cat is out of the bag on this one, but good for thought.

Edit: I’m not saying we shouldn’t have people use AI to do this or that no bad actor will. This comment is in response to the sentiment I am seeing in the comments that we should lidar the whole world and have AI find any anomalous structures it can. There is no way for archeologists to excavate and protect all those places in that scenario

▲stasomatic 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

AI or not, shouldn't we learn about our global history? But I do think there has to be an STG like prime directive to keep these findings on a need to know basis (in spirit, not regarding messing with the timeline) and not release them except to the government where the artifacts are found, that's their heritage.

▲timdiggerm a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given that treasure hunters and looters can also use the process outlined in this blog post, leaving it alone seems like a guarantee that it will be explored by looters first.

▲AdamN a day ago | parent | next [-]

That's a story that's been going on for literal centuries.

▲amelius a day ago | parent | next [-]

Myeah but is now about to continue on an industrial scale.

▲unrented7977 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That doesn't make it any less bad

▲4gotunameagain 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How long is a figurative century?

▲TSiege a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is in response to people in the comments saying we should do lidar of the entire world and have AI find whatever it can.

▲Taek a day ago | parent [-]

Looters can also do their own lidar scans.

▲yorwba a day ago | parent | next [-]

Probably not of the entire world, though.

▲paganel a day ago | parent | prev [-]

For now they cannot do that, nor in the foreseeable future.

▲embedding-shape a day ago | parent [-]

Why not? It isn't exactly a secret technology nor are LIDAR-equipped RC aircrafts/drones particularly out of reach in terms of cost either. What would stop them exactly?

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▲patcon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would humbly suggest that perhaps the most consequential looters might be more like script kiddies than bond villains. Just vicinity and convenience

▲elil17 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

IDK, this jungle terrain is very difficult to navigate

▲freecodeio a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

would be funny if they went there and it was already looted

▲RunSet a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Using slop engines to loot ancient ruins is an apt metaphor for what slop engines have already done to humanity's written corpus.

For their next trick, perhaps billionaires can exhume our dearly departed and see whether they have any gold teeth or baubles worth scavenging.

▲lp92 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Archeologists have been using Lidar equipped RC aircraft for quite some time now. With the way things are going it won't be too difficult to have a small swarm of UAVs doing the mapping soon.

▲kevsamuel a day ago | parent | next [-]

Lidar google map layer is going to be a thing.

▲TSiege a day ago | parent | prev [-]

This is in response to people in the comments saying we should do lidar of the entire world and have AI find whatever it can.

▲chrisweekly a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"archaeologists can excavate and protest"

protest (argue against) -> protect (defend against harm)

▲jcattle a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well isn't it handy that recording lidar is really expensive, so we luckily won't be having large scale public access to data very soon

▲mercer a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the knowledge of these locations from the air should have some value in itself, no?

▲TSiege a day ago | parent [-]

It isn’t about having value or not. Some people in the comments are talking about using lidar on the whole world and seeing what agents find. Thats a great way to give looters all over the world the heads up so they can rush over and steal whatever they can. Any archeological site has valuable information on what a slice of humanity’s world used to be. Giving looters a head start means destroying that information often permanently.

A helpful example might be Heinrich Schliemann, a businessman who fancied himself an archaeologist and destroyed much of Troy’s history by digging it up as fast as he could. He was so focused on finding treasure to prove to world he was a great archaeologist he irreparably damaged the real layers that were Troy.

From his wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Schliemann?wprov=sfti...

> His excavations were condemned by later archaeologists as having destroyed the main layers of the real Troy. Kenneth W. Harl, in the Teaching Company's Great Ancient Civilizations of Asia Minor lecture series, sarcastically claimed that Schliemann's excavations were carried out with such rough methods that he did to Troy what the Greeks could not do in their times, destroying and levelling down the entire city walls to the ground.

▲desterothx a day ago | parent [-]

Well to be fair archeology as a profession did not really exist at that point, it was mostly rich peoples hobbies, or authoritarian rulers way of legitimizing their rule through an ancestry argument

▲TSiege a day ago | parent [-]

This actually isn't entirely true and archeologists at his own time said they way he worked was bad and the Ottoman government tried to stop him. At one point he had to flee the site and could only get back by hiring a professional archeologist to help him.

▲TacticalCoder a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The best way to protect a site is to leave it alone. If we start finding dozens or hundreds of sites it will be more than what archaeologists can excavate and protest.

Ain't the site itself the most important thing? As opposed to items: looters won't steal the site?

▲AlotOfReading a day ago | parent [-]

Looters will absolutely destroy a site to find valuables that may or may not even be there. Ai-khanoum is a classic example, with the vast majority of the site having been filled with pits on the off chance there were valuables. Nowadays they use bulldozers and excavators to loot at an industrial scale. It's pretty difficult to do archaeology on a pile of sifted dirt.

▲sdadsa a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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