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| ▲ | satvikpendem 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Spotify already has an AI chat bot inside, where you can tell it what music you'd like to listen to in plain language. And that's the issue, each app maker will simply integrate AI themselves with their proprietary API rather than allowing ChatGPT to take their lunch. | | |
| ▲ | aurareturn 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We're still very early. But I don't want to use Spotify's AI. I want to use my own AI, who knows me more. IE. I want to stay inside ChatGPT/Claude. I think Spotify will open up. Or some AI-native music service will be started to compete and fill the demand. | | |
| ▲ | Sharlin 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It just doesn’t seem to make any business sense to turn an app into an API invisible to the user. A visible, established brand is a "moat" as they say. Without user-facing brandable software you’re basically nothing. Only techies are interested or even understand the
concept of a service that only exists as an API. I also think you’re way overestimating (based on one datapoint?) the number of people who want to use their devices from within an LLM chat app, even if at some point they should become aware of the idea. | | |
| ▲ | booty 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | overestimating (based on one datapoint?) the number of
people who want to use their devices from within an LLM
chat app,
I don't know about that. "Apps" were a step forward in many ways, but when spending time with older and/or non-technical users they are pretty overwhelmed by the sheer number of apps.I think they would really like to have one unified, plain-language interface. | | |
| ▲ | aurareturn 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I agree with you. That might be why people only use a few apps even if they download 100. It's just really hard to learn the user interface of every single app. Nice username btw. | | |
| ▲ | booty 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Non-technical users also get REALLY confused/upset about routine app updates that change the UX in any way whatsoever. They learn these apps differently than "we" do. They (again, particularly older users who didn't grow up with GUIs) don't understand GUI paradigms, so they compensate by memorizing... even a small change to their memorized flow is highly disruptive because they cannot reason about how to get back onto the happy path. (It's like the old, pre-GPS-navigation days when you went on a road trip with a stack of printed out directions from MapQuest. It was great, until you missed a turn and had no idea how to get back on track...) Ideally, yeah, non-technical users could just invest a little time learning common UX paradigms. But a lot of people just won't. And really, GUIs were just a means to an end anyway. Maybe we just need to meet them where they're at with a more unified, naturalistic interface. The word "maybe" is of course doing a lot of work. |
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| ▲ | aurareturn 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If there is a demand for it, people will invent businesses to fill that demand even if a pre-AI company like Spotify is resistant to the change. | | |
| ▲ | andsoitis 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | > If there is a demand for it, people will invent businesses to fill that demand even if a pre-AI company like Spotify is resistant to the change. Only if structurally it makes sense. There's demand for many many things on this planet without a business model that would satisfy that demand. | | |
| ▲ | aurareturn 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The world is moving towards this whether legacy businesses want to or not. I'm sure the internet was bad for Yellow Pages' phone book business and Yelp ate their lunch regardless. |
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| ▲ | booty 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Tangent about music recommendations specifically, not the overall discussion... I've played around a lot with using my own AI to generate music recommendations and build playlists. > I don't want to use Spotify's AI. I want to use my own AI, who knows me more It's pretty tough to beat what Spotify (or Apple, or whatever your platform is) knows about you w.r.t. listening habits and preferences. My successful experiments have involved exporting Spotify / Apple Music data into sqlite and a skill that tells my agent how to query this data. It works pretty well! Still, I'd say it's only roughly on parity with the AI stuff Spotify is working on. The main benefit to rolling my own is being sure (at least, for now) that the recommendations aren't being corrupted by sponsored placement which I'm sure is Spotify's end goal. I have no real point to this point, just blabbering. Have you cooked up any good solutions via rolling your own? | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You may not want to, but the company wants you to use their AI. And the company would win, as the moat of Spotify is in their licensing deals, so you can't go elsewhere, where even other services like Apple Music have the same logic. | | |
| ▲ | aurareturn 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | I personally think the Spotify would not win this fight. The better user experience will win. If Spotify won't do it, then maybe Apple Music might. Youtube Music might. Tidal might. Deezer might. Or a new service might. | | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | I doubt it, look at Amazon which denied access to other chatbots and subsequently their Alexa for Shopping app shot up in downloads. | | |
| ▲ | aurareturn 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | They allow Alexa to shop on Amazon so clearly there is some demand for AI agents to shop. It all depends on market share. If Amazon thinks they'll make more money letting ChatGPT/Grok/Gemini/Muse to shop, they will. I think they will personally. |
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| ▲ | illiac786 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “My own AI” will be Apple Intelligence or Gemini for 99% of users. You will be the exception. |
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| ▲ | mycall 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > tell it what music you'd like to listen to in plain language. I can imagine trying 'I want to hear a techno song that goes umm tss umm tss at 140bpm" and it finds a few million. |
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| ▲ | Sharlin 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I give you that Spotify integration isn’t the worst idea, but perhaps more as an additional interface than a full replacement. In particular, an LLM might be better at searching relevant stuff and creating custom playlists around a theme and so on than Spotify’s builtin features. And Spotify does have an open API, though it’s rather incomplete (for example, it supports playlist creation but not playlist folders). | |
| ▲ | andsoitis 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I could see myself wanting to control Spotify with my AI agent. In what way? To find recommendations? Or search for a particular track? | |
| ▲ | cmsj 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Discovery I can see benefiting from AI, but surely using an agent to control basic playback would be a profligate waste of resources?! | | |
| ▲ | aurareturn 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | I assume AI will generate a playback UI for you. | | |
| ▲ | rafram 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But why? Spotify’s engineers and designers already made a good one! | | |
| ▲ | aurareturn 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Actually, I hate Spotify's playback UI. The time bar tap target is too small. They keep making it smaller every year. |
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| ▲ | andsoitis 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I assume AI will generate a playback UI for you. It only needs to be created once. You don't want a different UI every time you listen to something. | | |
| ▲ | aurareturn 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Agreed. It could create it, you can pin it and use it again and again. Change it whenever you want to whatever you want. | | |
| ▲ | mrbungie 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I would expect this to be an ultra niche usage pattern. Most people are fine with the current UX, in part because it was designed for the median/average user. | | |
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