It's not just you. I am deeply saddened that there will no longer be any true wilderness anymore. If I stumble across someone on a work call or prompting their agents 30 miles from the trailhead in the Sierra I think I will go mad.

Technological changes are always ecological, never purely optional. They change expectations, mores, etc.

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signatoremo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You are free to feel sadness however you want, but please don’t talk on behalf of others?

For me, PERSONALLY, I love having connectivity just for the peace of mind. And no, I didn’t carry work laptop on vacation. After a day outdoor, I loved to be able to retreat to a corner for online activities at night. I don’t want to stare at the dark night the whole night, every night.

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phainopepla2 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> but please don’t talk on behalf of others?

Where was I speaking on behalf of others?

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ergocoder 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You said others would drive you mad if they used a phone in the wild. What??!?!?!

You are also sad that .... spinning the wheel ... the optionality exists.

It's optional. You don't have to use that option. But nooo that's not acceptable. You want the option to not exist at all for you and everyone. Otherwise, you will continue being "deeply saddened" ??!?!?

	▲	phainopepla2 16 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Being bothered by the behavior of other people is not speaking for them. Optionality is never truly optionality when it comes to technology. I would think that people on Hacker News would understand this, even if they disagree with my opinion on this specific issue.

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happyopossum 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I am deeply saddened

If a complete stranger's personal choices about internet access deeply sadden you, you might want to consider some therapy.

	▲	phainopepla2 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You might want to consider reflecting more on how technology changes the world far beyond personal choices. Behaviors that were opt-in become opt-out. Behaviors that were opt-out become mandatory. Think about how cell phones or social media changed social etiquette. Even if you opt out of those things personally, you're still living with the changes. Admittedly this won't have an effect so widespread, but for those of us who spend a lot of time out in the mountains, deserts and forests where there is no service, I'm certain we'll see an effect. I'm not sad because some guy somewhere will check his Slack messages on a hike. I'm sad because of how this will change the world.