The heart of camping is being stranded. Knowing that if you had an emergency there'd be no way to get help. Starlink ruins that.

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bravoetch 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've done every kind of camping, all over the world. I take a little Garmin puck with me to ensure I'm never ever stranded in an emergency. I suspect you don't actually go camping.

	▲	annzabelle 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Agreed. I live in NZ where the rule of thumb is to keep a PLB on your person at all times and time from pulling the PLB to having a SAR helicopter overhead can be as low as two hours (it can be significantly longer depending on weather). Most people I know who spend significant time outdoors here have one and keep it on our person whenever we're on something more intense than a well marked day hike. This is true of everybody I know from those of us who do 2-3 night backpacking trips between marked campsites to backcountry skiing to mountaineering. It's one of the first things that is advised to tourists here is to borrow one from a gear shop or visitor centre before going into the backcountry. Here at least it is viewed as common sense safety on the same level as carrying layers and water.
	▲	bottlepalm 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		You’re the exception, not the rule when it comes to camping.

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simplyluke 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I spend well north of 100 days a year in the backcountry in some capacity or another, from day hikes and skis to week+ trips on glaciers in Alaska in the winter being dropped off by plane and where the pickup time/day is "when we can get weather to get back in there" and that would be the same timeline for any kind of SAR response.

I couldn't disagree more with being stranded without communication being the heart of camping. Satellite comms have absolutely increased safety, and allowed for bigger expeditions to be handled. I have multiple mentors a few decades older than me who had friends die in situations that would have likely been recoverable today. I'm not planning on taking a starlink backpacking, but the one on my truck camper has been a transformative tool in how I'm able to recreate.

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dzhiurgis 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And the soul of driving is a V8? How about writing software? Is it bugs or compiler errors?