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| ▲ | r_lee 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | that only works for very vey very young kids. I dont get your point | | |
| ▲ | germinalphrase 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We’ve strip-mined every cultural superstition and monster for the entertainment industry, but those superstitions and monsters often existed - even in the minds of adults - to warn against certain behaviors, actions or locations. | |
| ▲ | watwut 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And only on christmas day. They dont think long term, no getting christmas gifts is not a treat in november - it is infinetely far for a small kid. | |
| ▲ | kelseyfrog 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Santa Claus for the very young; an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God for everyone else. We have at least a several thousand year history of instilling a 'Panopticum[sic][1]-like psychology' in enormous swaths of society. More of the same. 1. please tell me this is a typo | | |
| ▲ | graemep 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If that was so people who were more religious would be more accepting of surveillance and I do not think that is the case. God is also perfectly good, outside time, unlikely to question your actions, and completely forgiving. Rather different from being watched by human beings. I do not think belief divine omniscience by itself had much impact on people's behaviour. | | |
| ▲ | kelseyfrog 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Why would a religious person, holding a sincere belief their actions cannot be hidden, want more surveillance? It would be redundant, no? Maybe they can chime in and resolve it. Best to hear from a source directly. | |
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| ▲ | tavavex 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's true that the idea of 'someone is watching you' is very old and a well-tested method of social control. The religious angle may be why so many people are receptive to mass surveillance today. But not everyone is religious, and those that are rarely live with a true, 24/7 feeling of dread and fear that someone is actually watching. The fear of consequences is very distant, and there is often forgiveness for small infractions. That fear becomes very different when you can put a face and a name to the people watching you, and you know they can affect your life in very real and immediate ways. This is the preconditioning that starts with childhood surveillance. | | |
| ▲ | kelseyfrog 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I've spoken to many of the deconverted who where genuinely afraid of committing real and mental sins as a direct condition of omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence. Have you not met someone like this? | | |
| ▲ | thin_carapace an hour ago | parent [-] | | are u saying that people shouldn't be afraid of the consequences of behaving improperly ? | | |
| ▲ | kelseyfrog 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm saying, in response to "The fear of consequences is very distant, and there is often forgiveness for small infractions," that people do have a fear of misbehaving and a belief in an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent god is a critical component of a 'feeling that someone is always watching' resulting in that fear and subsequent avoidance. |
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| ▲ | pantalaimon 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Soon we'll all be watched over by machines of loving grace. | | | |
| ▲ | amenhotep 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not "everyone" else though is it. Especially not in the recent decades where this surveillance has become a real thing. | | |
| ▲ | kelseyfrog 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | What does that have to do with the subject of discussion: instilling a Panopticum[sic]-like philosophy in said kids since their very early ages? |
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| ▲ | iamnothere 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most kids have an important developmental moment where they realize Santa isn’t real | | |
| ▲ | giardini 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, but then there's religion with an all-viewing God or gods. And years of these ideas repeated never really goes away. After all, what if there really IS a God, or Vishnu, or Allah, and a Hell, etc.! The very idea is enough to drive a kid to Pascal's wager. | | |
| ▲ | iamnothere 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | There’s many people who don’t believe in either Santa or god. Only about half of younger people believe in hell in the US. Unfortunately, even those who escape such beliefs now have to face the reality of surveillance not by gods, but by men, many of whom don’t have your best interest in mind. |
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