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▲ CurleighBraces 12 hours ago

Humans not using their own brains and relying on AI to think for them creates a fragile code base.

I say that as a frustrated slop fighter.

▲tarkin2 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It seems obvious--and correct me if I'm wrong--that using AI requires less mental effort; and a less exerted mind is a weaker mind. A weaker mind will continue to create more and more fragile code.

▲thisisnotgreat 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, it's a nice thought-stopper by now, but IME it requires more and I can see the oldschool devs struggling with it every day.

Every once in a while I go "manual". It's restful and entertaining to write syntax by hand. It has this peculiar dare I say autistic delight, sorting the colored blocks and getting a little kick out of it. I understand the nostalgia but the progress is breathtakingly slow - as expected. You cannot do 6502 assembly by hand and expect to be fast in any meaningful sense of the word.

I usually juggle four, five active projects at a time and make days worth of manual progress on them in a morning. Support calls and colleagues questions interject occasionally. It's much more work than before, but I like it because dev work is super boring and now it's getting more interesting.

Like many people try to say AI is raising the bar. What we call normal software now will be childrens' toys tomorrow. The world expects ambitious projects, stuff that is hard and stands out.

▲jansport123 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

we'll recalibrate eventually based on understanding what level of abstraction we can operate on. If these code bases become unmanageable then the trend will correct itself.

▲n4r9 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I can't imagine a broad movement of devs using AI more thoughtfully without a widespread incentivisation from employers. And I can't imagine the latter at all. We'll probably just have to cope with more brittle/fragile codebases.

▲epihelix 12 hours ago | parent [-]

> We'll probably just have to cope with more brittle/fragile codebases.

Is this not incentive enough to use AI more thoughtfully?

▲n4r9 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's tricky when it comes to performance evaluation. Metrics like token usage or story point "velocity" are easy to conjure up even though they mean little. The kind of careful work that goes into building robust, maintainable code drags such metrics down, and it's very hard to quantifiably gauge their positive effects.

▲w4der 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not when many companies still think that they'll die if they don't ship enough new features.

▲soon_to_be_sb 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>we'll recalibrate eventually based on understanding what level of abstraction we can operate on...

This would be at the level of helper functions < 10 lines of code.

▲duskdozer 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I doubt this if the patterns of tech/software over the last <x> years remain. We'll just get buggier, worse-functioning, more expensive products/software built by fewer, more burned out developers. But your manager will love the sales presentation, so all will be well.

▲lynx97 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I say that as a frustrated slop fighter.

That part was obvious, no need to explain it.